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talkofthetown - > Talk of the Town -> Should passengers be sued for reporting 'suspicious' behavior?
Should passengers be sued for reporting 'suspicious' behavior?
The six Muslims kicked off a flight last fall because of 'suspicious' behavior are now suing the airline and threatening to sue the passengers who reported their activies. One of the men is a local imam.

Now I understand suing the airline, but the passengers? That's pretty scary.

If these passengers end up tied up in court, experts are rightly asking if it might have a chilling effect on passengers speaking up about potential terror suspects.

What do you think?

(Someone in our afternoon news meeting had another good question: Who would the ACLU support in such a lawsuit!?)
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posted by talkofthetown on Friday, March 30, 2007 at 04:40 PM
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posted by anonymous on Mar 30, 2007 at 05:26 PM
no, they should be rewarded...double their frequent flier miles"
posted by anonymous on Mar 30, 2007 at 05:37 PM
Beware of what is going on! More information on this can be seen at:

thereligionofpeace.com

Never bow down to the Religious bullies of the world. Never accept their deception, their lies, their beatings of their wives, nor their homosexual tendencies. America First. Keep America free from all enemies both foreign and domestic.

Look at what is happening in Europe today. Europe, or Eurabia, is dying and a new Evil World Order is upon us. Sept. 11th is only a foreshadow of things to come. WWIII is shaping up and it will make WWII look like a picnic. Now is the time to study the enemy and learn his ways. He is already studying us and taking advantage of our weakness. Wake up and hear the call to Prayer. A Minaret is coming to a community near you. Evil has entered the land.
posted by anonymous on Mar 30, 2007 at 05:42 PM
well if i reported someone for being, black, white, asian, jew to the airlines, would that be considered right or wrong. they were reported for suspicious activites because they decided to pray before they got on their flight. remember muslims pray five times a day. is our country moving backwards or forwards? backwards if you tell me! seriously which race/religion is next. who will "we" shun next. did everyone forget that we were all immigrants at one point? ignorance is bliss!!!

also, celebrities sue magazines all the time for falsifying pictures, statements etc. why can't normal people get sued too? the airlines did not find one single suspicous activity when they were detained. COMPLETELY INNOCENT!
posted by anonymous on Mar 30, 2007 at 06:47 PM

According to the reports they weren't just praying before the flight, they were acting suspicious, such as requesting an addition to the seat belt for individuals who are overweight, which none needed, and chanting ALLAH, suspiciously getting up and changing seats.  And now, they got what they wanted a law suit and publicity.  What they need to do is promote their religion in a positive light because Americans only see the extremist who want to kill everybody who does not follow their faith or teaching young Muslim men how to treat Muslim women as humans and not as dogs, instead if ignorant act such as disrupting a flight.  I am tired of Americans of walking on eggshells its time to express how we feel!        

posted by anonymous on Mar 30, 2007 at 07:14 PM
Do you realize how much money could be made by someone willing to start Islamic Air? Muslims only can fly on that airline. The other airlines would be only too happy to buy tickets on that plane for certain passengers. You know what I'm saying?
posted by redkernhero on Mar 30, 2007 at 08:34 PM
If Christians had been thrown off a flight for praying, would this be a problem for us? I imagine so,  just not having a Christian on on anything is a problem of gigantic proportions for some.
But this is alright. this is America.
posted by anonymous on Mar 30, 2007 at 09:26 PM
i agree with you redkernhero. for all of those who do not understand one thing about Islam.. ALLAH means God! get your facts straight before you start blogging. so if a christian said God and started praying in the terminal that would be suspicious too? and who reported they were asking for another seat? if you havent noticed all six muslims were let go, and you know why...because they were innocent. the airlines found nothing!!!! if they were guilty don't you think they would have kept them detained? use some logic here people. do you really think homeland security wouldnt love to keep them locked up? don't you wonder why the airlines refuse to comment on the situation..because the airline themselves had no right to do what they did.  their civil right and liverties were VIOLATED! just like how America violated the russians during the cold war, the blacks (still on going), hispanics, the japanese during WWII.  all the innocents. they racially/religiously profiled. also, not only were these men released but the airlines refused to book another flight for them. they were given no means of getting home.

another thing about.." I am tired of Americans of walking on eggshells its time to express how we feel!", how do you know these Muslims aren't American. so did you really mean WHITE because only "white" people are Americans and no other faith/race? (your ethnicity of white is my assumption)

what about the catholic priests who molest children, or the white, black, asian, etc men who also treat their women like dogs? 



 MY GOD..HAVE WE NOT LEARNED FROM OUR PAST MISTAKES. WHY MUST WE KEEP MAKING THE SAME MISTAKES OVER AND OVER AGIAN. WHAT WILL IT TAKE!!
posted by redkernhero on Mar 30, 2007 at 09:39 PM
You are a wonderful man or women, but do we have to include everybody? Oh and these Muslims have to be American who else sues the pants off their neighbor? But what is suspicious about asking for more room in these airplanes, unless  you are shaped like a super model, you need anything you can get to make you comfortable.Yes it is disappointing that we violate everyone,but we make up for all that with our compassion and out devotion to the right religion.
The God for fellows like you, the real face of our great country.
posted by mildmannered1 on Mar 30, 2007 at 09:57 PM
Now wasn't  this incident partly  triggered by  the men having no baggage and were flying one way?  That's a flag for TSA, it's not a passenger's whim.  I guess they learned our customs right away:  if you don't get your way, sue!
posted by anonymous on Mar 30, 2007 at 10:40 PM
is that all you know is heresay??? where do you get your info from? the men were coming back home from a religious conference in michigan!!! (round trip in most countries) i don't understand how you can blog false statements. not one news release have i read that stated it was one way nor stated that the men were traveling without baggage. again ignorance and illiteracy is common among bloggers. please research your statements and come up with better justifications. unintelligent blogs.

Did ALLAH/GOD not give you a brain to use and seek your own knowledge instead of heresay?

redkernhero...it is the american way to sue. haha very funny! sitting in coach sucks seeing that you are all up in someone elses elbow room. same problems we face at the theatres. not to be racist but arabs aren't that skinny so you had a very good point. haha. and i do believe the men were arab muslims, because not all muslims are ARABS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope america will pull through this situation soon, it is tearing all of us apart.
posted by ki6amd on Mar 30, 2007 at 10:40 PM
I wonder if I would get sued for saying "I won't fly on this flight if that guy is going to be flying too". I would say that if I knew the guy was going to sue me for just being on his flight! And if there's a picture of these guys somewhere I'd like to see it before I take my next flight.

Seriously what does this say about someone who sues the passengers? Should I avoid all flights that have middle eastern looking people because I don't want to get sued? Does this help or hurt the Muslim community?
posted by anonymous on Mar 30, 2007 at 10:52 PM
well these men are religioius leaders and they take their role very seriously. someone made claims against them because of their own ignorance. and in america its would be "tarnishing their reputation" they were humiliated. let me give you a scenario. how would you feel if a priest was falsely accused of molesting a child? if the priest was detained, held against his will and was not told who, what, where and why's. you know bakersfield will not look at the priest the same way ever again now would they?

not only were the imams not told about why they were being detained..their families were not being told either. imagine how sick and worried their wives and children were feeling when someone takes their father away and not giving you any answers?

this is the same situation that happend in january with mr. shehadeh. he was flying in from germany to celebrate his daughters 2yr anniversary. (majida shehadeh is also from bakersfield)  he was detained for no reason what so ever. his family was not told where, who, what and why. he was not given his heart medication. imagine...imagine if you were in their shoes!
posted by ki6amd on Mar 30, 2007 at 11:40 PM
Anon, Every last place in the world is filled with ignorant people, you can't avoid it. So do you try and teach people through lawsuits or do you talk with them? Personally anytime I fly I try to talk to the people I'm flying with. I want them to know where I'm going and why. If I were to keep to myself and my small group I too would be questioned, moreso if I had a one-way ticket (if that was the case here).

If we're going to make a comparative assesment let's say a pastor of a small christian church in rural Texas was taking a flight and he had a small group with him, he didn't talk to anyone but his group and he got kicked off the flight and was detained et cetera, et cetera. If he sued the passengers I would find fault with him, not the ignorance of the passengers.

As per your statement, "these men are religioius leaders and they take their role very seriously". It says something about Islam in general if this is how they will react. Sure, the government body who detained these men should be sued, and maybe the airline but the problem isn't that they were stopped and throughly checked out, everyone should be. The problem is that the treatment was poor during the detainment. The family should have been notified, the men should have been told the particulars, BUT that is NOT the fault of the passengers. The passengers played a small role, but was it all of the passengers? I'd guess not, but I wasn't there.

It would be just as easy for a Muslim man (or woman) to tell security I was acting suspicious and I would probably be questioned. If I were deaf and couldn't answer the questions I was asked, how long would I be detained? What if I demanded my rights instead of just answering the questions? I'd bet I would be detained even longer.

How a person reacts will ultimately reflect on their treatment, that's the nature of human interaction. If you react hostile, or nervous, when questioned you'll be judged differently than someone who just calmly answers the questions.
posted by pistophor on Mar 31, 2007 at 03:35 AM

Why are they suing the airline?  People reported "suspicious activity" and they acted.  They have a right to pray, they DO NOT have a right to fly. "We reserve the right to refuse service".

Listen People.... less than 6 years ago several muslims boarded some airplanes and killed several thousand people!

If it had been a group of white people then the Muslims would not be harassed.

I am sorry to all the Muslims that are treated poorly but as long as your countrymen keep killing people in the name of Allah your religion and your race will be looked at very closely. Do not blame the airlines; blame the terrorists that share your aesthetics.

I know that racist or not many people would have a problem boarding a plane that had a group of muslims saying "Allah Akbar" shortly before boarding; it may not be right but that's life. Stop your terrorist countrymen if you want to change it.

posted by anonymous on Mar 31, 2007 at 08:01 AM
Pistophor, I agree with your statement.  Now, in no way am I some red-neck Christian extremist.  I think that in a perfect world, Muslims ought to be able to pray wherever they want, however they want without it causing any sort of suspicion.  However, it's not a perfect world.  It's not right to stereotype, but I would think it'd be hard for anyone (incl. open-minded non-racists) not to be suspicious of six Muslim men praying openly before a flight.  With Sept. 11th, and all of the other terrorist acts that were committed by men who claimed to be Muslim, how can anyone not be suspicious of such activity.  It may not be right, but that's the way it is.  I think it's absolutely terrible that we live in a world where Muslims have to watch what they say and do in front of other non-muslims, but that's just the way it is.  Until the US and other western nations stop being attacked by Muslim extremists, how are non-muslims supposed to react to situations like these?
posted by anonymous on Mar 31, 2007 at 08:24 AM
Ignorance is abound on the blogs. I guess if you guys are too scared to be on a plane with muslims, then maybe it would be better for you to just stay home, watch the 24 hour news channels and hide under the covers. Fear does work and you can see how well in this blog.

Here's a question for some of you. Were the 9-11 hijackers dressed in traditional muslim clothes with beards, etc.? Well, the answer is no. They were dressed in button down shirts and dockers like a typical businessmen. Maybe you should be more afraid of people trying to fit in with the crowd rather than the ones that don't care if they stand out.
posted by adampayne on Mar 31, 2007 at 08:39 AM
What I find scary is that 24 dudes with box-cutters made a nation dysfunctional and wiped away two hundred and twelve years of constitutional  law and the Bill of Rights.
posted by biggertom on Mar 31, 2007 at 10:29 AM

If you read the actual reports that the people on the flight handwrote into evidence--you'd have tripped on these people too.

I read about it on The Smoking Gun website a few months back. I wouldn't have been comfortable with their behavior. I grew up with the Meerza family (an Islamic family from Kuwait), they have always been very respectful, I don't think these gentlemen were being very respectful to others around them.

It is my opinion that they indeed should have been denied entry to the airplane. This lawsuit has no merit to me, and the whole issue has been a shameful display by these men.

posted by mildmannered1 on Mar 31, 2007 at 01:57 PM
For Anonymous, above, who wondered if Allah/God gave me a brain, the answer is yes.  And I can read, too.  Here's the citation from the Bakersfield Californian, Sweetie:   

When the pilot received the passenger's note, he requested airport security remove the six men from the plane, the police report said.

The airport police and a U.S. federal marshal agreed the seating configuration, the fact that three of the men had one-way tickets and no checked luggage and the praying in the gate area was suspicious, the report said.
Report: Incident began with note from passenger Bakersfield Californian, The (CA)
November 23, 2006
Author: STACEY SHEPARD, Californian staff writer
posted by anonymous on Mar 31, 2007 at 01:57 PM

The fact is...that we as "Americans" have the right after 911 to be suspicious.  You bet your ass we had the right to report suspicious behavior.  Who's to say that the report didn't stop something that could have resulted in injury or death, had we not said something?  Give me a frickin break, this is our COUNTRY and we need to do whatever we have to protect it.  I say Muslim Airlines would be a great idea.  However, blowing up there own airlines wouldn't get them anywhere. 

That's my opinion and I'm entitled.  REMEMBER 911 people!

posted by anonymous on Mar 31, 2007 at 02:21 PM

Of course we have the right to be suspicious. BUT our suspicions cannot and must not trample on individual liberty. If we allow this then the 911 terrorist achieved their objective.

annon 182

posted by anonymous on Mar 31, 2007 at 05:36 PM
It says good show! if those snitches were so worried about the Muslims, they could taken another flight where only good Christians were flying, I hope they lose their pants in the lawsuit.
posted by anonymous on Mar 31, 2007 at 08:30 PM

I go to Asia several times a year to do missionary work.I do relief work and teach EFL. While in the seating area I pray for myself and the crew. I've never gotten down on my hands and knees like dog and yelled Jesus, Jesus. If I saw this I would report it. Better a few kicked off the flight than chance a terrorist take over.After boarding I pray we have a safe flight. I don't chant, move around or make any request for seat belt extensions.You certainly don't want six nuts running around in the middle of a 17 hour flight to Bangkok with any kind of weapon. I am 6 feet tall and weigh 280 pounds. The belts here in the USA and overseas are perfect for me. What is the deal about seat belt extensions, they make a great weapon. 30 inches of nylon strap with a heavy buckle on the end. Hit someone in the head or around the neck to choke them. I've seen several people denied boarding passes because of their own actions. Being to drunk, drawing a lot of attention to themselves like these Imams did, refusing to follow orders and hassling the security at the baggage check-in.If this had happened in some of the countries I work in they would have been taken away and that would be the end of that. There would not be a threat of a law suit against the airlines or the people that reported them. Only in the USA does this go on.I've sat next to Muslims in the overseas terminals waiting to board and I've  never seen a one of them draw attention themselves by chanting or kneeling in front of people. I've seen them go to a corner or quiet spot to pray. They are praying to their God not to the people. These six people knew from the start what they were doing and had it planned because they were in the USA not some country where they would not be heard from again.As long as we have people saying oh those poor Muslims this type behavior and trouble will continue.I've been pulled from the xray area at baggage check-in, had my suitcase searched, they have taken me and  my laptop to another area and asked me to turn it on.Did I feel discrimanated against no way Jose. It made me feel that security was protecting me and the other travelers.One place I go in India they have two small rooms at the airport and if they suspect anything visa passport luggage or anything they put you in the rooms. One for women one for men. No chairs, benches no water no restrooms nothing until they decide you are ok. Maybe one hour to one week or they put you on a plane out of the country if you are arriving.You give them any lip you might leave several months later. In other countries if you need money you work for it in the USA you sue, sue, sue.

posted by pistophor on Mar 31, 2007 at 11:58 PM

I don't know why you people waste your time talking to the anonymous people.  If they don't have the backbone to stand behind what they say then they are not worth my time.

I literally skip over any post that has "Anonymous" at the top.

I am one of those extreme people that believe if I don't want to offer my business services to a muslim, or sell my house to gays, or rent a room to a woman that I should be allowed. Let them find someone else to do business with.  Its not good business to refuse service based on class; I may not choose to do it but I defend the rights of others to do it.

posted by bubbaa on Apr 1, 2007 at 06:47 AM
Never.
posted by anonymous on Apr 1, 2007 at 08:34 AM

Hey pistopher put your real name on your blog stop hiding behind a phony screen name. Also put your home and business address, phone number and I'll call  you. Nope can't do that you coward. You are more gutless than anonymous.

posted by NancyII on Apr 1, 2007 at 08:56 AM
This is hilarious.  Two anonymous posters yelling at each other about being anonymous.   Geeezzzz.....  LOL.
posted by anonymous on Apr 1, 2007 at 12:27 PM

pistophor....just so you'll know, I used to post my name, until I began being harassed by someone who used a "phony" name, such as yours.  They were able to e-mail and harrass for months.  So, maybe we should just bypass your posts or are you the individual who harrasses and threatens under a "phony" name, rather than using anonymous.  There's your explanation.

 

posted by camsgirl on Apr 1, 2007 at 01:36 PM
I'm with Nancy on this, it's gotten really insane and quite frankly I'm somehow not surprised that you drew some harrassment from some previous comments as your demeanor on this blog has been quite emotional.  As for the original topic for this post, a agree with ki6amd.  As we're always told about job interviews, first impressions mean everything, if someone presents themselves in a way that could be considered inappropriate for the situation, then their intentions should be questioned.  It doesn't matter what color their skin is or what their religion is.  If I were a muslim in an airport, I would be very careful of how I acted.  Until all this terrorist activity gets taken care of, people are going to be hyper sensitive, it's just an unfortunate fact of life.
posted by redkernhero on Apr 1, 2007 at 01:39 PM
Christian are like children, they should be seen and not heard. If they don't behave, they should be sued.This is what we are lead to believe, but than again what happened to minding your own business.
posted by anonymous on Apr 2, 2007 at 07:22 AM
OH PLEASE..ANYTIME YOU SEE A POST THAT GETS UNDER YOUR SKIN ITS NEO NAZI..HE LOVES TO STIR THE POT AND KNOWS IF HE SIGNS HIS NAME ANYMORE HE WILL GET IGNORED...SO HE SIGNS AS ANNY UNTIL SOMEONE READS ENOUGH OF HIS TRASH AND FIGURES HIM OUT.. i SIGN AS ANNY TO GET UNDER HIS..A LITTLE EYE FOR AN EYE AS THE GOOD BOOK SAYS
posted by NancyII on Apr 2, 2007 at 08:06 AM

Wondering....where is Tkozy and ProgressivePete?  MIA? Or under an assumed name?

 Neo has quite a few to use these days doesn't he?  His style never changes though so it's not hard to figure out who he is.

Back to topic.  Just days after 9-11 I passed two young mid-eastern men and both looked over at me and sneered.  Not a smile mind you..but a sneer..as if daring me to say somethng.  I don't know what was in their minds..arrogance, defiance or what but it unnerved me.  I realize tension was high at that time but I have to agree that even now if ANYONE acted odd or suspicious in a terminal or on a plane I'd be reporting it too.  When you're 35,000 feet in the air it's a little late to voice a concern.

posted by randomfactor on Apr 2, 2007 at 08:16 AM
Perhaps resentment that *THEY* had endured such looks hundreds of times in the previous few days, Nancy?
posted by NancyII on Apr 2, 2007 at 08:38 AM

I have no idea RF..I can't know what was in their minds but one thing I do know..If the situation were reversed I'd be keeping a low profile.  Whether it's right or not..sometimes discretion is the better part of valor and that was one of those times.  What I didn't mention is that I was on a ladder stocking shelves..it wasn't a casual glance.  And before we get into the prejudice thing..my supervisor at that time was a Muslim and at least, if not more, outraged by the attack than the rest of us.  She was, and still is, a good friend.

My point..and the point of so many others is that in times like these people have a right to be cautious..and they should be.

posted by randomfactor on Apr 2, 2007 at 08:43 AM
Considering what passes for political opinion in this country, and the rhetoric expressed by folks at the very top, I'd say Muslims in this country and around the world have a right to be cautious as well.  Far too many people are judging them by their skin color, clothing styles and choice of invisible friend.
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