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Why Intelligent Design Isn't Science

Hey all, just another awesome day, well I was doing some research, on why ID isn't science, and well ran across an article at

http://www.naturalism.org/s...

that was too good not to just post, so here it is, feast your eyes on this, and finally see why the new Ben Stein movie is dumb, and why our poor journalist was wrong. (Yipes I guess skeptics are grumpier at 4:37 AM. Enjoy you guys

Why Intelligent Design Isn’t Science

Contrary to the claims of some proponents of intelligent design (ID), science does not presume naturalism. So science doesn't reject ID because ID is supernatural.    Nevertheless, science does reject ID because the ID hypothesis exemplifies none of the characteristics of legitimate scientific explanation.  For some basic characteristics of scientific explanations, click here.

Some of those sympathetic to intelligent design (ID) argue that science as it’s currently taught assumes naturalism, and further that science tries to rule out ID as unscientific on the grounds that ID invokes the supernatural. 1 But science makes no claims about naturalism. Scientists simply propose explanations which are accepted or rejected on the basis of their scientific merit.

Intelligent design fails as science not because science a priori rules out the supernatural (methodologically it doesn’t need to do this, and in fact wastes no time on the matter), but because the intelligent design hypothesis has no merit as a scientific explanation.

Because science doesn’t presume naturalism, there’s no basis for supposing it violates any U.S. constitutional prohibition on states favoring or establishing a particular religious or philosophical view. So ID need not be imported into the science curriculum to provide "balance" or give non-naturalistic views "equal time." Because ID conclusively fails as good science, it should not be presented or taught as a viable scientific alternative to Darwinian accounts of evolution. But ID could usefully be discussed as an example of pseudo-science, helping to clarify what science actually is, and does.

Below, I’ve set out what I take to be some fairly uncontroversial, central characteristics of legitimate scientific explanation, and then list reasons why ID doesn’t embody or exemplify these characteristics. I don’t pretend that these are exhaustive, that they aren’t redundant to some extent, or couldn’t be improved upon in many respects, so I invite interested parties to improve upon them. But it’s crucial to note that in characterizing science, none of the points below invoke the natural/supernatural distinction. By virtue of its aims and methods, science ends up producing a unified view of the world, but it doesn’t start out with ontological assumptions that qualify it as a partisan philosophy.A first cut at some basic characteristics of scientific explanation:

Awesome article, and I can only close, if we must teach intelligent design next to evolution, why not fortune telling along side math, World War Two Denial in History class, or Prayer Healing along side GERM THEORY!!! or whatever a crazy person in a given subject wants to teach. hope you all enjoyed this is your grumpy skeptic going to get some sleep

  1. Other things being equal, science seeks the simplest and most parsimonious peer-reviewed explanations, based on empirical, inter-subjective evidence.

  2. Science tries to minimize the number of unverifiable or ad-hoc assumptions in constructing explanations.

  3. Science is conservative in hypothesizing new explanatory factors: to the extent possible, explanations will be sought among phenomena already known to exist before positing other phenomena as explanatory factors. Science is not unnecessarily inflationary in its ontology.

  4. Science seeks testable, verifiable, and transparently mechanistic or specifiable explanations for phenomena - no mysterious or unspecifiable processes play a more than a passing role in scientific accounts.

  5. Entities accepted by science are either directly observed or indirectly inferred via experiment or theory, where such inference predicts specific characteristics of the entity that can be tested for in later experiments or that bear on other predictions.

  6. Science seeks explanations which connect phenomena with one another, which unify different levels and domains of phenomena, and which generate testable predictions. Good scientific explanations are in these senses productive.

  7. In science, an explanation can’t simply be posited to match the target phenomenon in order to fill an explanatory gap - there has to be independent evidence of the features of the explanation.

  8. Before positing explanatory factors that have no other empirical support besides their function of filling an explanatory gap, science will declare the target phenomena to be as yet not fully explained.

  9. Science will put stock in a provisional, as yet incomplete explanation involving known processes and entities rather than in an explanation which claims completeness at the cost of invoking ad-hoc, disconnected, and mysterious entities and processes (see 2, 3, 4 above).

  10. Science seeks explanations for all phenomena in its purview; it always asks what determines the characteristics of any phenomenon that figures in its explanations: how did that originate, what explains that?

 

 

Why intelligent design (ID) isn’t science (the corresponding points above are in parentheses):

  1. ID leaves the designing intelligence unexplained in the same way as ID claims that "irreducible complexity" is left unexplained by Darwinian selective processes, but worse, since it offers no specific hypotheses or mechanisms. ID hasn’t produced an explanation, it simply pushes the demand for explanation back a step and so is otiose. Thus:

  2. ID posits an extra entity unneeded for explanation, so violates parsimony and simplicity (1).

  3. ID seeks explanations outside of well-substantiated, empirically-supported phenomena without fully investigating the adequacy of explanations which restrict themselves to such phenomena. ID is thus not conservative in its explanations, but is instead inflationary 2 (3, 8, 9).

  4. ID doesn’t specify how design is carried out: no mechanism or process is proposed, and further, no means of discovering this mechanism is proposed. The mechanism remains unacceptably mysterious with no hope of being clarified (4).

  5. ID supplies no observational or inferential evidence for a designer that specifies or predicts its specific characteristics. (5).

  6. Since no mechanism or process is shown by which intelligent design works, the designer posited by ID is left unconnected to other phenomena (6).

  7. ID lacks any explanatory or predictive power; it is unproductive 3 (6):

    • ID doesn’t predict biological features that arise as change occurs in organisms.

    • ID doesn’t explain the particular biological mechanisms that are found in organisms.

    • ID can’t explain patchwork, jury-rigged, or sub-optimal organic "designs." 4

    • ID doesn’t suggest any experiments to prove the design hypothesis.

    • The designer assumption does no real explanatory work; it simply pushes the question further back (1, 3).

  1. ID provides no independent evidence for the designer beyond its purported explanatory function (i.e., to fill the explanatory gap), so the designer is just an ad-hoc explanatory posit, like elan vital, phlogiston, etc. (7).

  1. In leaving the designer unexplained and its characteristics unspecified, ID fails to treat the designing intelligence as a possible object of scientific explanation (10).

 

Additional points:

On proving a negative

: In general, ID is a negative thesis - that standard evolutionary explanations cannot, however well elaborated, account for some particular phenomena, e.g., "irreducible complexity." The plausibility of the design hypothesis is thus only a function of the purported failure of selectionist explanations. But there is no argument to support the idea that selectionist explanations will not or cannot be completed, especially as biological mechanisms become better understood, and indeed many selectionist explanations are complete to the satisfaction of many scientists. This means, if selectionist explanations are completed and filled out to a reasonable degree (what’s reasonable is of course a bone of contention), then the intelligent design hypothesis loses this sort of support. The same goes for the origins of life: once a plausible mechanism is established, then ID becomes otiose.

On falsifiability

: It is often supposed, although not universally agreed, that scientific hypotheses and conjectures are at least in principle falsifiable, if not directly testable. In contrast, ID is unfalsifiable: no experiment could prove or disprove it. ID simply says that what selectionism or other science can’t explain is explicable by appeal to design, so ID can always fill the gaps left by science: thus there’s no way to prove it wrong. (This point is taken from Larry Arnhart’s piece" Evolution and the New Creationism: A Proposal for Compromise," Skeptic V8#4, 2001, p. 48.)

On low probability events

 

: Science accepts the possibility that certain events and conditions may have been extremely low probability occurrences, but doesn’t draw any ontologically inflationary conclusions from this. In contrast, ID draws the inference that since (let us concede for the sake of argument) it’s highly improbable that the universe has constants which are favorable to life, or that life arose at all, there must have been an intelligent agent that chose the constants and/or created life. But this inference simply begs the question of the prior probability of the existence of the designer.

Posted in the Religion & Faith interest group.
Topics: Skepticisim, Bunk, whoo whoo, id, Intelligent Design
posted by thegrumpyskeptic on Wednesday, May 7, 2008 at 04:48 AM
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posted by AudreyB on May 8, 2008 at 09:13 AM

Random

I imagine that's where he wishes we all were. 

posted by ChicaEscuela on May 8, 2008 at 09:17 AM

It matters to some people, because science as it is disproves a literal interpretation of their religion.  If they can no longer convince people that every letter of their holy book is true, then they can no longer arbitrarily claim to be moral authorities.  It matters to them, because to lose this battle is to lose their power.

posted by randomfactor on May 8, 2008 at 09:17 AM

I think that's our ultimate purpose in the Universe--to kick-start the next one.

posted by AudreyB on May 8, 2008 at 09:26 AM

 

Witters

I'm still thinking about that red potato salad.  Ummmm

Random

Repeating big bangs.  That's my hope.   Ad infinitum or nauseam. 

I saw a new documentary on Discover Channel a couple of months ago .  It seems the latest scientific theory for the end of time is the BIG RIP.........OK, waiting for jokes.

www.space.com/scienceastronomy/big_rip_030306.htm l

 

posted by witterpitters on May 8, 2008 at 11:39 AM

:-)  Audrey - glad you enjoyed the salad!

The BIG RIP!!!! kinda like my pants (that shrank in the dryer!) did! HAHAHA!  See the world IS obese!!!  Too many big macs!  Gonna rrriiipppppppppppppp those pants!!

posted by ChrissyL on May 8, 2008 at 11:16 PM

 Hey Possum;)

Possummomma is in the hospital in case you care. Where did she post? Did someone erase her post? 

posted by NancyII on May 8, 2008 at 11:51 PM

Of course the people on the blog care about Possum...why would you even say a thing like that?  Anyone know how she is doing?

Only 3 people can remove posts. 1. Jason, the moderator,  2. The person who started the blog,  and 3.  The person who commented.

posted by ChrissyL on May 9, 2008 at 01:11 AM

 Of course the people on the blog care about Possum...why would you even say a thing like that?  Anyone know how she is doing?

I was responding to Wayfarer who has accused me of being possummomma in the past (thank you you-know-who for reminding me that Way did that before).  I know some care or else I would have said "In case any of you care."  Apologies for not being clear.  I don't know what is o.k. to share but her father said she is in pain.  Her kidneys are bad.  Once more I'm sorry if I worded it badly.

posted by Wayfarer on May 9, 2008 at 07:00 AM

Still playing games Possum.


posted by randomfactor on May 9, 2008 at 08:25 AM

Wayfarer, I thought my estimation of you had reached its nadir. Here's one of those rare occasions when I was in error.  You truly are an orthodox Christian.  No doubt you'll take that as a compliment; rest assured it is no such thing.

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Chrissy, could you give an off-line address to send good-wishes cards?  

posted by ChrissyL on May 9, 2008 at 02:19 PM

Wayfer - Still playing games Possum.

The only blogger playing games is you.  I don't take potshots at seriously ill neighbors, way.  It's hard to think kind thoughts about you right now.  If you believe in god you need to open your heart and listen. 

Random -Chrissy, could you give an off-line address to send good-wishes cards?  

I'll send you a pm.  The update is that she's going to be taken down to UCLA next week to see if they can help.  We're trying to help them get kids to and from school without stress and keep the kids distracted.  She's supposedly coming home in a bit but it's been an in-and-out process all this week. 

posted by Wayfarer on May 9, 2008 at 03:57 PM

I am well aware that your are seriously ill Possum and I pray for the best for you, but misrepresenting yourself, trying to manipulate the blogs, and slanderous attacks doesn't help you any Possum/Chrissy.  P.S. we are not as dumb as you think we are. 

posted by sagefever on May 9, 2008 at 04:06 PM

I'll be keeping nothing but good thoughts for Possum in my heart and mind.

Way~ there is a time and a place for everything,this is not the time for being uncharitable. Remember when P. thought tkozy was "manipulating" the blogs? He was not,and she felt terrible and apologized for it. I know you'd do the same but why not save yourself that?

I said then and I say now~having been manipulated before myself~ I'd rather error in charity and goodwill than error in being unkind.

 

posted by randomfactor on May 9, 2008 at 08:20 PM

Buffoo reminds me of Gandhi's famous aphorism about Christ, whom he confessed to admiring.  "I do not admire your Christians," he continued.  "They are so unlike your Christ."

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"Orthodox" Christianity--that is, the standard-variety American version--has little of compassion about it, it seems

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PS, Buffoo:  Oh, *YES* you are. 

posted by possummomma on May 9, 2008 at 09:41 PM

Hey all,

Thanks for the support...it means a ton.  I almost couldn't believe what I was being told, regarding Wayfarer's commentary on the situation.  There's really nothing to say, is there?  You either believe that Chrissy is who she claims to be or you don't.  I do, however, find the irony to be stunning - Wayfarer, king of multiple user id's - ...is suggesting that someone else is being manipulative or misrepresenting themselves?  That's quite the laugh.   Like I've seen said before, there is some intense projection going on here.   But,...most of all, I feel badly for people like Buffoo/Wayfarer.  I've had many, many helping hands this week.  There has not been one need that wasn't met for the children, despite the upheaval.  Chrissy, Dave, Abi, and the Becks...thank you.   Anyone wiling to sit up with our kids or give Mike a break deserves kudos and hugs.

-Pmomma

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