That same cop stopped me and didn't shoot me neither when I tried to run.......he was color blind dumbie...

timec  the funny thing about being color blind is black is black ......................is....black................ .....he would have shoot your butt.

I got pulled over by a cop this weekend while in Bakersfield. He told me he pulled me over (I was driving a Cadillac with gold rims) because his job is to find gangsters and that I looked like a gangster. It was about 2am and I was just leaving the drive-thru at the Taco Bell on Brundage.I told him that I work for the DOJ and he left me alone. The whole weekend I kept asking myself, "what does a ganggster look like?" Was I racially profiled or did the cop have a legitimate reason to pull me over? He didn't even ask for my registration(he did ask if I was on parole or probation, though).

jfrancais, I have a feeling you are making this crap up. IF it is true, which I doubt, I would assume you would be outraged and would not have just now brought it up! I don't think ANY officer would tell you he pulled you over just because you looked like a gangster. I challenge you to make a complaint with BPD Internal Affairs about this. If it happened around 2am, after you left the Taco Bell at Brundage and So. H, it will be very easy to identify the officer who stopped you. So what do you say?

Well right now they are going after the most violent and high profile. Which just so happens to be black gangs right now. And if you read the freaking article , they are going after the key players. Once they have a handle on them they will add more to the list.  I for one am grateful if they put even 1 of these thugs behind bars for 25 to life.

Actually I'm not making it up, OB56. Why does it shock when things like this occur. Honestly, I'm not shocked at all. I've seen and heard enough about BPD to not be surprised. If anything I was somewhat relieved due to the fact that I had two beers earlier that night and was concerned about a breathylizer. I truly believe he was out looking for gangsters. He wasn't mean but I was shocked at the admission and that being the reason for being pulled over. Since I turned left on Oleander and parked my car by the Pantry, it apparently was suspicious and made me out to be a "gangster". I'll go ahead and file the complaint since you think I'm bluffing. Contact me via email and we'll talk.

Which gang is the most violent, cheeksmck? I think the skinheads, MS13, and several others can be equally if not more violent than the all encompassing "black gangs" (I met a white East Sider downtown at Riley's this weekend, btw). 

You're right OB, he didn't say I looked like a gangster. He said his job was to pick up gangsters and from getting pulled over that was my own conclusion that I made. I just concluded that he thought I was a gangster because he asked if I was on parole, he asked why I was in that (my) neighborhood and didn't ask for my registration. Is that an unfair assumption? Do I just have a vendetta against cops?

I'd have to say that the Van Buren Boys are the toughest gang out there.

Are they one of those "black gangs"?

They aren't race exclusive, that's what makes them so badass.  Puerto Ricans, Blacks, Japanese, Whites, Irish, Soviets.  Doesn't matter to those guys.

Did Kramer ever get jumped in?

JF, there is no need for me to contact you via e-mail to talk. You told us what happened to you the other night, and I called you on it. Now you are trying to downplay it. You say you will contact BPD Internal Affairs to file a complaint. Me, and everyone associated with LE, know you never will. You just lost a WHOLE lot of credibility. And to think you even made sense once in a while...

It happened and I didn't see the point in going to internal affairs (until you brought it up). How do I prove it to you? Do you read the internal affair reports? Are you on the board? You didn't call me on anything, OB. What did you call me on? I got pulled over in a '87 White Cadillac by the Pantry on Brundage at approximately 2am by a tall white PO. He told me his job is to pick up gangsters (which is why he told me hangs out at AM/PM on weekends).  What credibility did I lose?

Okay, JF. You go to Internal Affairs and make the complaint. THEN I will believe you. And don't you worry how I will find out. And if you need some moral support, I'm sure timec can help you out. 

OB, why are you so biased to LE? you're more mad that I posted this than I am that the cop pulled me over. It happened and it doesn't surprise me that such things still happen (even though I have buddies that work for BPD). I'll just file the complaint to prove you wrong.

Thanks, OB. You're too kind...

Yep. I wasted a whole day at Atwater today. That place is  hot!!!!!!!!!

I believe you jfrancais.  The same thing happened to me once.  I was driving from the Carrows on Easton going south on Real Rd and got pulled over by the BPD.  I was in my late teens and driving my recently deceased grandpa's big old Lincoln Continental type car.  The officer approached from behind very slowly with his gun drawn, and as soon as he shined his light in my window and saw I was a sweet little teenage white girl (with a sweet little teenage white boy next to me) he relaxed.  He asked for registration and my friend opened the glove box and my grandpa's 8-track tapes came spilling out, and that was pretty much the icing on the cake.  The officer said he was looking for a vehicle that fit this description (baloney!  I knew it was a gangsta hooptie) but he pulled me over because of a broken taillight, but he never wrote me a ticket and let me go.  At my friend's house I had my friend stand behind my car while I did the brake light, etc, and none of my lights were out.  My friend and I knew exactly what was going on.  If I had been a black person in that car that night, the whole story would have gone very differently.

Everybody gets pulled over at 2 am. Thats usually a pretty good bet for a duece. 

Deuce.

It's interesting that you said that. I was driving my newly inherited recently deceased dad's gangsta hooptie when I was pulled over. It does have that gangsta look to it with the gold trim and rims. I won't be driving it on Friday nights anymore, though.

Yeah, next time drive a Suburban--you'll be fine!  : )

What's a deuce?

Vehicle code 502- drunk driving. Something I know a little bit about. Got 9 of'em. They'd say a deuce - short for 502.  I think there is a  new code number now though.

It's VC 23152(A) and VC 23152(B).  They call it a deuce because they charge people with both when they get a DUI.  VC 23152(A) is driving under the influence and VC 23152(B) is blood alcohol level (BAC) over .08. 

US-USAO

It's not always racism, though. I knew a black dude in San Diego in 1994 who was arrested for being under the influence of a controlled substance. He was walking down Imperial Ave. at 3 a.m., which under the law is considered to be "odd and unusual hours." A police car pulled up and the cops asked him where he was going at that hour. "To a funeral," he replied. He told me that it seemed like a perfectly reasonable answer to him...

I really don't want to paint BPD as a racist organization anymore. I felt that way as a kid (and fairly recently) but since I know a few folks on the force, I would like to believe it is only select few or that they have been trained to "profile" or make assumptions.  I just worked on a task force meeting with LE and the community and one of the big complaints was of the adversarial relationship between LE and the community.

Gube

I am light  brown so I was safe..........

When I am pulled over by a cop I expect to be treated differently.....not because I am black but because my attitude sucks. If I am guilty of something OK pull me over but don't interrupt my day for some b/s..... Oh your license plated light is out, I received a call about a car that fits the same description as yours, or what are you doing out at this time of night...Those are all reasons why cops pull over blacks people for no reason. I tell them to give me my ticket or let me go. I will not answer a hundred and one questions...I don't have to.

My brother has been pulled over late at night and the cops have asked him are you on parole or probation. My brother says no. The cops ask do you have any guns or dope. My brother says no. The cops asked can I check...my brother says yes. The cops checked and let him go. That is wrong. So basically my brother was pulled over for being black after 12am....b/s.

I believe JF because this is a common practice. The BPD's gang task are famous for harassing Negro's at night. They are just doing their job ..that is what they were hired to do.

Speaking of racism, I too have been a victim of reverse racism.  You might not be able to tell but I do have a lot of Spanish and Mexican blood flowing through me.  I do look like a run of the mill cracker, white boy though.  I ventured into Ranch Market a few months ago and I was the only white looking one in there.  I did get a few smiles and hellos, but mostly it was the cold shoulder from my brothers and sisters.  I thought it was pretty cool.  Idiots.  Then the guy at the meat counter refused to prepare some meat I wanted to buy a certain way.  Although the sign right above his head read something like "carnes preparados sin gratis" (meat cut for free how you like it) i think that's what it means.  I don't speak spanish.  I really got the feeling that I wasn't wanted there and I could hear people running their mouths behind my back calling me pendejo, cavacho and other more colorful names.  Racism is all around and is practiced by all ethnic groups.  It's not just blacks and whites.

timec, no matter what the police do or say, some Negro's, like you, are never happy....

You're right about the reverse racism, Frankie.  For every story about racism against blacks, there's another about reverse racism.  Everybody's so judgemental.  It's not just about race, either.  You see a little old lady driving a big, old car, you automatically assume she's going to go 30mph.  You see a bunch of men in suits crossing Truxtun Ave, you automatically assume they're important--attorneys or something.  You see a woman wearing a short miniskirt and a cleavage blouse walking down the street, you automatically assume she's a slut--or a divorcee!  LOL. 

I remember reading a long time ago that making judgements on appearances is part of a human's basic wiring.  It was essential back in the hunter/gatherer days when humans needed to have a keen sense of their surroundings to survive.  It's still important today, too.  It's that uneasy feeling you get when all of the information your senses are gathering in a particular situation are telling you "something's not right here."  Of course, we rarely need that keen sensory judgement much anymore, and we seem to use it more for bad than good, ie racism.

Above the Law    there must be  section 8 apartments below us  the last year more and more black teens are seen walking across the street and not at the cross walks  everytime I see illegal  handi cap parking    guess who   I guess their above the law

At 11.00 the other night five neighbors were seen chasing a couple black teenagers down the road   these black kids for no known reason  decided they didn't like the tires on eleven cars     so a knife slit the sides wide open

28 years up here and no troubles     but section 8 seems to draw the bad one's    and up here it seems to be the black one's

And yes they were caught  and with the knife    I don't know if they were beaten or not    one can only HOPE

Ron

Funny you guys mentioned getting pulled over by people.  One day my family and I were at the Valley Prison err Plaza and as usual there were a bunch of gang banging looking thugs just standing in the middle of the mall,  blocking the flow of traffic.  We will leave out the ethnicity of this group because I know you can figure them out.  Anyways,  my family and I are trying to get thru this gangster pile up and they do not want to move so I say excuse me politely and one kid tells me  f*@# you motherf@%*&! that's on crip.  This is while my wife and kids are with me.  I tell the little future inmate his mom should have swallowed him and moved right along.  I too have been a victim at the hands of disrespectful person and am probably going to have pay for this person to be locked and repeatedly rehabilitated (insert sinister laugh here) numerous times because he likes to be a gangbanger.  Instead of constantly crying about our outstanding police department let's put gangsters on front street.  Besides when you are being carjacked who are you going to call the crips,  southsiders,  or skinheads.  I don't think so.

Catherine, I think you're right.  Walking down the main street in Wasco, I never felt threatened or concerned but I certainly knew I looked out of place.  I did it anyway because it's a friendly town and it didn't matter that I was the minority there.  (They have a GREAT doughnut shop where they sell brownies that would make you run in circles and write bad checks.)

For a long time I was the only non Hispanic/Latino/Mexican in my office with the exception of a part time doctor.  I rarely paid any attention to it.  (only when they told jokes in Spanish..lol)

Why is it that I really don't care? It wasn't that big a deal for me.  I mean I remember it all but it's not like it ruined my week or anything.  I think we all need a little thicker skin.  There's going to be a-holes everywhere you go.  

What exactly is "reverse racism" FrankieV2?

Yeah, that's not really what reverse racism is.  What I meant was dicrimination coming from your own race.  What would that be called?

racism, I assume. Maybe even stupidity.

~Timec~ I'm sure Mr.Jagels was using a select few to make a point....you know as well as all of us that this problem extends in all walks of life...he's not going after one color...he said all shot callers.....

I was going to say 'one race'...but if you think about it..aren't we all one race---HUMAN....

I'm sure Ed J is reacting to the good people of the communities where the targeted gang members collateral damage is making their lives virtually unlivable.

I'm just as certain he will target the rest of them without regard to race, creed, or color (not just blue or red)

Frankie, that would fall under the heading of "bigotry." Many American-born Latinos don't like "Nacos," and vice versa (which was never more evident than when De La Hoya fought J.C. Chavez several years ago). The English don't like anyone; they don't like the Irish, Scots, etc. An English soldier in Hong Kong told my dad that "An Australian is nothing more than an Englishman with his brains stomped out." No one likes the English, either.

Lin

He named  27 gangsters..that is more than a few. His list consists of all blacks.

I wish we were all on race.

El

That is not reverse racism that is just disrespect. Kids are disrespectful. Kids are rude.....that has nothing to do with color. 

Catherine

For every racist story against blacks there is not a racist story against whites/Hispanics. Trust me. For every cop beat down against  blacks is there a cop beat down story against whites...I think not. We are the most hated race in the US....why...I saw a study on the most hated races. After 911 blacks were still in the lead.....pretty dad huh?

 All red

No comment ...because you are just a racist old guy. You can't help yourself. Blacks are just wrong to you period...and you are a Christian...that floors me.

So Timec    Am'I wrong for bringing this up      one can't speak the truth

Are your people above the LAW    they sure act that way     well from what I've seen

My favorite program     COPS      not one     I wish I could say more than one    but not one with blacks in it  has the mother, brother sister or the other section 8 people living close by admit the person was wrong I would  include the father but of course he is never around 

Ron

The same thing applies to Leon   two guns one found and the other will show up on the next killing

So that i'm not completely one sided I will give the blacks credit for not writing their name all over the place  like the Mex's   seems like a water hydrant to the Mex  they have to leave a mark

I'm sure us whitee's have bad behavior and you'll let me know

Sorry Blue     Am  I     hope thats better

Allred

We live in America you can say what you please....but I don't have to like it. You are in desperate need of a spiritual cleansing. I actually feel for you. God judges his saved sinners much harder than non saved sinners....you better be careful. You are playing with fire..literally.

Back to the issue.

http://www.mhaks.com/files/...

I have attached the Section 8 housing stats. You need to read before you talk sir. There are more whites on Section 8 than blacks. Face it slackers come in a colors. White is not always right Allred.