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tkozy - > There is a Chance -> AgJOBS and Bush's immigration proposal.
AgJOBS and Bush's immigration proposal.
 

AgJOBS and Bush's immigration proposal.



AgJOBS Will not work. There is no point in even speaking about such a system in the midst of the criminal ag business labor subcontracting. The purpose of the ag labor subcontracting is to avoid all forms of legalization. It will continue to forge documents and pay sub par wages.

The above is fact for a simple reason. No immigrant. Legal or illegal comes to America to live a life of a farm worker. It is a position that is taken as a stop over job. A position that in short order will lead to non ag jobs.

These jobs in the ag business performed by the illegal immigrant are part time jobs. Jobs good for 9 months of the year at best. The low wages and the instability of employment insure a continuing need for more and more illegal immigrants. What would you expect the immigrant to do during the 3 to 6 months of unemployment?

We already have immigration provisions that require that an immigrant to refrain from collecting government subsistences. How do you suggest that a immigrant do this while working in a low paying part time job.

If you want a steady work force. Create a steady job. A job that provides for a wage for the employee for the entire year. A job that provides opportunity for the employee.

Immigration to provide for cheap labor for part time jobs, is a idiotic idea.

Kern Counties farm towns have winter unemployment that reach 40% at times. There is no need for nor opportunity for immigrant labor in the ag business at this time.

There must be great sanctions placed on the avoidance of employment regulations. Loop holes in the subcontracting of labor from owner to contractor must be addressed.

I worked for years in the farm fields while in school. Although it is indeed a difficult job. If the wages are right. Americans will line up in droves to do the work.

Because of illegal immigration and the flooding of the labor market. Jobs that I did in the 60's for 700 dollars a week. Pay only 350/week today.

Until these conditions of employment are addressed. Nothing can be solved. It is all a waste of time, money and hot air.

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posted by samheath on May 31, 2007 at 07:27 PM
That fairly describes the situation. And as an American I've worked at harder jobs than "stoop labor."
posted by tkozy on May 31, 2007 at 07:37 PM
Thank-you Sam.  
posted by ronmexico on May 31, 2007 at 09:57 PM

If you want a steady work force. Create a steady job. A job that provides for a wage for the employee for the entire year. A job that provides opportunity for the employee.

 

Huh??? By its very nature, agriculture is not a steady job.  There are times of work, and times where there is little work. That is simply the nature of agriculture. It has been that way since the dawn of time.  Good grief, is it really that hard to comprehend??

posted by ronmexico on May 31, 2007 at 10:15 PM

Because of illegal immigration and the flooding of the labor market. Jobs that I did in the 60's for 700 dollars a week. Pay only 350/week today.

 

And what jobs would those be??  The average factory worker in CA in 1960 earned $2.60 per hour.  The average farm worker earned $1.20 hr.  So if you were working in a factory, and were making twice the average (because of course, you are above average) you would have had to work 134 hours a week, or 19 hours a day, 7 days a week.

 

Me thinks you are full of Shite...Unless of course you can back up your assertion that you made 700 dollars a week doing a job that now only pays $350 week...

posted by anonymous on May 31, 2007 at 10:24 PM
Hey, be nice to the immigrents. My new pool would have cost $200K if a bunch of pansy college educated kids would have built it. They would have wanted insurance, breaks, lunch, and benefits. Jose just works his ass off for $10 an hour. What a country.
posted by ronmexico on May 31, 2007 at 10:27 PM
Ah, another rich guy. Spending money on a pool.  Less than a fraction of  percent of the people on this globe have enough money to have their own pool. Enjoy your over consumption of the earths resources...
posted by anonymous on May 31, 2007 at 11:02 PM
I WILL enjoy it ronOmexico. And I am not rich. I just spent 30 years working for what I have. What about you? If you need a job, I will hire you. I need you to come over and clear the weeds out of my yard. S-O-C-Kay-S.......
posted by ronmexico on Jun 1, 2007 at 06:45 AM
You are rich. You are one of the less than 1 percent on this planet that can afford their own personal swimming pool.
posted by tkozy on Jun 1, 2007 at 09:15 AM
 

2.20/ hour, 1 ½ time over 40 hours. Double time on Sundays. Plus a minimum of a penny a box. $700/ week working for S.A.Camp out on Degorgio Rd. Did it for many years. My father was making less than $5 dollars a hour as a certified welder. Swamping grapes and trucking watermelons where highly sought after jobs by students. But any type of piece work was capable of producing extremely high wages for those with the desire and ability.


This was at a time when the work force was protected by the Sheriff's department.

Cesar Chavez didn't stoop to criminality. Rather, he participated in labor strikes.


The laws of supply and demand. Outside the evil influences of criminality and greed. Produced a living wage.

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