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If Ralph Bailey has another show about Carter and Race. Those who oppose health reform. Your all on your own. If your holding onto your High Dollar petro stocks. You want to read this. Nancy, The hypocrisy is overwhelming. Nancy, Threatening to block someone does not work. Sex Those who oppose health reform. Your all on your own. A strange Wednesday night Okay, Let’s agree not to continue to Blame Jr. Laura Bush praises Obama, bemoans excessive partisanship September 06 October 06 November 06 December 06 January 07 February 07 March 07 April 07 May 07 June 07 July 07 August 07 September 07 October 07 November 07 December 07 January 08 February 08 March 08 April 08 May 08 June 08 July 08 August 08 September 08 October 08 November 08 December 08 January 09 February 09 March 09 April 09 May 09 June 09 July 09 August 09 September 09 October 09 November 09 "Ideas are more dangerous than guns. We don't let our people have guns. Why should we let them have ideas?" --Josef Stalin
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"That's not logical." Obama Says.
"If private insurers say that the marketplace provides the best-quality healthcare -- if they tell us that they're offering a good deal -- then why is it that the government, which they say can't run anything, suddenly is going to drive them out of business?" Obama asked. "That's not logical." 13 comments from 7 users
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posted by
tkozy
on Jun 23, 2009 at 10:03 PM
Now, Obama's campaign website is urging people to share stories about their own battles with the healthcare system and to send letters to members of Congress. posted by
middlepathII
on Jun 23, 2009 at 10:35 PM
I visited the ER at Memorial Hospital in March and without insurance. Within three hours, I had generated almost $10,000 in medical bills. For my 10k, I laid abed for three hours, received two x-rays which were read (although I knew the diagnosis) and was given two injections and three prescription medications (which also cost extra). I am now slowly paying off this bill. I cannot imagine what I did that required $10,000 worth of medical attention. Had I gone out and committed a crime, I likely would not have generated $10,000 in fines. Had I hired a lawyer for three hours work, I would not have generated that much liability. Had I purchased three hours of illegal drugs to use or even share, or had I bought a gently used car (or a new one at that) I likely would not have generated that bill. Had I gone on a shopping spree for three hours, I would have fared better and had something to show for it. BUT in three hours of laying in bed, I generated a $10,000 debt. I hate the idea the government could be managing our health care system, it is a private responsibility, IMHO. But, I have no sympathy for an industry that does this to people or for the people who create such a ridiculous liability. At the root, I think it is the greed of sue happy people, but close behind are a lot of other greedy individuals. I'd like to see the health care industry reduce its own excesses before the government does so for them, but something does need to change--and fast. The present situation is untenable for all. posted by
tkozy
on Jun 24, 2009 at 07:10 AM
I in fact enjoy the best medical care of my life. Now that I have taken part of a very efficient socialized medical system. posted by
sys_mom
on Jun 24, 2009 at 07:37 AM
My dad has received excellent care from the VA on those occasions when he has been ill. They performed his heart bypass and also treated his cancers. He lives in Texas. There are many VA Hospitals in Texas. I have often wished there was one here in Bakersfield. Many folks take into consideration where the nearest VA hospital is when picking their retirement community. My parents chose their retirement home in part because of how close they would be to a VA hospital. That was in 1974. Which was 12 years prior to my dad's retirement. At that time he had no health problems. He was just planning for the possibility of there being health issues in the future. I have a friend whose father was born the same year as my dad. He had a horrible time getting his health insurance to agree to pay for the basic health care that he needed. This man worked in a union job for over 30 years. He had paid his dues diligently and was looking forward to no insurance troubles in his retirement years. Sadly that was not the case. While my friend was dealing with the hassles of fighting for his coverage I was sorry for her and her dad. I was so thankful that the VA took such good care of my dad. posted by
ronmexico
on Jun 24, 2009 at 07:47 AM
Imagine what would happen to your family if you would suffer the medical experiences I have had. If you have a insurance policy. Check out what your copay would be if you had my experiences. Hmm. So someone is paying for this, Tkozy. So who is it?? Who is paying for all this excellent medical care that you are receiving?? And that one single payer is paying... Just who is paying the bill?? posted by
sys_mom
on Jun 24, 2009 at 08:35 AM
Have you guys ever looked at the line by line charges on a hospital bill? I have. Back in the nineties I spent several days in the hospital. Each day I was given a Tylenol prior to receiving my IV. The hospital was charging $8 for each Tylenol that they provided to me. I started refusing their Tylenol and began providing my own from home. The nurses thought it was strange but why should I pay that much extra for a Tylenol just because a medical professional handed it to me? The hospital was also charging me a daily fee for having a TV in my room. I complained because although there was indeed a TV there was no remote control to use to change the channels or volume or to turn it on or off. Therefore I could not watch the TV. I was in an intensive care ward. Most of the other patients there were too sick to even be awake. They were not watching TV and yet they were being charged about $3 every day for the privilege of having TVs in their rooms. posted by
UncleToad
on Jun 24, 2009 at 09:08 AM
It's quite simple: Either the government creates a health care system that can protect the population or it legislates that all employers have to carry insurance for their employees because a good portion of us cannot afford it. One of these will be more expensive in the long run, and it ain't the government plan. The insurance companies have robbed us of our health and our wealth. The government is supposed to protect the citizenry, is a influenza virus any different than a terrorist? We spend three quarters of a trillion dollars to be able to kill some guy with an AK-47 in Iraq with a million-dollar missile, but we let people face the choice of death, bankruptcy, or both? Right now, I'm more concerned about cancer than Osama Bin Laden. posted by
tkozy
on Jun 24, 2009 at 09:48 AM
Mexico, posted by
ronmexico
on Jun 24, 2009 at 09:51 AM
So what happens when the amout that you take out in benefits exceeds what you put in?? Do you then have your benefits cut? Or is someone else then on the hook for paying for your benefits?? posted by
randomfactor
on Jun 24, 2009 at 09:54 AM
So what happens when the amout that you take out in benefits exceeds what you put in?? The same thing that happens when your private insurance claim exceeds your premiums. You really don't "get" this insurance thing, do you? Look, here's your *BIG* chance to prove the silly liberals wrong. Let them have the public option, and point when millions of people flee to Blue Cross to get the "better" coverage the private sector offers. Only thing is...you know perfectly well that won't happen. Because the private coverage will be inferior in every way. posted by
tkozy
on Jun 24, 2009 at 10:02 AM
Mexico, posted by
catpaw
on Jun 24, 2009 at 11:51 AM
Statistics independent of the president's comment are those of increasing insurance rates. Americans pay about double the amount of other western countries and get less for the money. Premiums increase faster than wages or cost of living. Trouble is, the more people are charged, the less they get for their money. posted by
tkozy
on Jun 24, 2009 at 12:04 PM
Many people fall for the simple deception promoted by the insurance Czars. Many think that their employer supplied insurance comes to them free of charge. I would challenge anyone who has negotiated a wage in the last 10 year to prove that the cost of insurance was not a consideration when the amount of cash wage increases was being determined. Many people have accepted little or no pay increases and actually received a reduction in insurance coverage in return. In recent months people have been forced to take pay cuts.
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