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Pension plans and the commodities market
A Pension plans purpose is to protect and serve it’s pensioners. They have a fiduciary duty to the pensioner. This can not be done if the pension plans are investing in the commodities market. 8 comments from 2 users
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posted by
tkozy
on Jul 9, 2009 at 01:02 PM
posted by
donmason
on Jul 9, 2009 at 01:43 PM
The concept of the guaranteed old age pension is historically temporary, and is gradually becoming unsustainable as creation of real capital becomes ever more constrained over time.
A generous old age pension was a product of post WW II America, and our amazing temporary prosperity, born from immense resource exploitation, and banking derived economic imperialism of the Third World.
Two generations from today, the nuclear family model will become the norm again, as it was for thousands of years.
In the meantime, social inertia will preserve expectations, much to the detriment of social stability going forward.
At the present time, there are no secure traditional investment vehicles giving net returns that exceed the real rate of monetary inflation, when all returns are averaged. Private pension plans will therefore become the same kind of Ponzi scheme as Social Security, until income additions from the shrinking production base become unsustainable. posted by
tkozy
on Jul 9, 2009 at 02:18 PM
Don, posted by
donmason
on Jul 9, 2009 at 04:04 PM
Social Security and old style pension plans are ‘Best Bets‘. They are backed by the full faith and credit of the U.S. ( pensions through the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation). If Social Security and Pension plans fail. So does the world economy. The world economy won’t drop dead, but will keep contracting as a product of per capita income. This per capita contraction has been on going since 1973, and corresponds nicely with ever increasing government debt and currency devaluation since then. The PBGC is running a huge deficit, which will be remedied by injection of more fiat money, which devalues all real holdings. A slow death spiral, with no real means of repaying the loss. The fixed private pension is on its way out, and that trend is now 20 years old. Currently a fraction of 1 % of an increase to the FICA deduction would make Social Security solvent for many decades. This is a fantasy based on government derived cash accounting. Using rational accrual accounting, SS obligations exceed constant dollar income projections by over 20 trillion dollars, ongoing to 2050, if a standard currency depreciation of 3% annually is assumed. This value is conservative based on real inflation over the last 20 years. And more importantly, the government fantasy assumes constant real economic growth of 3% net, which is impossible. As it exists now, SS is just an unsustainable Ponzi scheme. The faith and credit of the US means nothing. Capital can not be created by government decree, or by wishing on a star for that matter. Injecting more fiat currency, or raising the FICA deduction only reduces real value across the board. We all sink on the same boat. Falling government bond values shows that the market isn’t fooled by promises of full faith and credit. The checks will keep coming, but real purchasing power will decline. Real inflation always exceeds the COLA, and will continue to do so. What is there to protect your 401k or IRA? Personal responsibility, and knowledge. While others lost retirement savings over the last 3 years, I made gains. It really wasn’t difficult, and I’m not an investment expert. Never follow the herd is the main principle to remember. The desire for parental authority figures to guarantee a retirement income is a classic moral hazard, and the events over the last few years prove it without question. Most of those who lost retirement savings were letting an institution make all decisions, without taking personal responsibility. Knowledge is mostly free for the taking, but does require some work ethic, and willingness to keep learning. This is especially important going forward, since buy and hold only works in an economy with real net long term growth. Those days are over for good. Think that fiat money is somehow magic if created by government decree? America’s third largest life insurance company disagrees....... Northwestern Mutual Makes First Gold Buy in 152 Years By Andrew Frye June 1 (Bloomberg) -- Northwestern Mutual Life Insurance Co., the third-largest U.S. life insurer by 2008 sales, has bought gold for the first time the company’s 152-year history to hedge against further asset declines. “Gold just seems to make sense; it’s a store of value,” Chief Executive Officer Edward Zore said in an interview following his comments at a conference hosted by Standard & Poor’s in Brooklyn. Northwestern Mutual has accumulated about $400 million in gold, and Zore said the price could double or even rise fivefold if the economy continues to weaken. Gold gained 10 percent last month, the most since November. The commodity has more than tripled since 2000, rising for eight straight years. Gold futures for August delivery slipped $4.80 to $975.50 at 4:03 p.m. in New York. “The downside risk is limited, but the upside is large,” Zore said. “We have stocks in our portfolio that lost 95 percent.” Gold “is not going down to $90.” Policyholder-owned Northwestern Mutual, based in Milwaukee, ranks third by 2008 life insurance premiums according to data from the National Association of Insurance Commissioners. The data excludes annuities. To contact the reporter on this story: Andrew Frye in New York at afrye@bloomberg.net posted by
tkozy
on Jul 9, 2009 at 04:34 PM
posted by
donmason
on Jul 9, 2009 at 05:34 PM
Gold as a hedge? Brilliant. (just don’t forget that gold is still cheaper today than in the 80’s) Commodities as a investment in lieu of gold. Has been a disaster.
Yeah, right. I’m up over 100% on gold investments. Up 40% on shorting the financials and banks. The trend was obvious. No disaster here. It’s not 1980 BTW. As I said before, buy and hold is for idiots.
Or, I could have let an investment firm lose 30% for me.
How’s your investments doing?
That has been the problem since the inception of 401’s and IRA’s. Fund mangers have provided false information to a unsuspecting public. Who have not the time to work 2 jobs and manage their managers.
As I said before, you have to do it yourself.
Fund manager lied? Don’t use a parental authority figure. Figure it out yourself. Unsuspecting public? Stupidity is no excuse. Books are free at the library. A fancy suit and office are no proof of expertise.
I work long hours, but have time to manage my own retirement money. It only takes a couple of hours per month to do it yourself. Those that lose to a bad manager have only themselves to blame. Children blame others, adults take responsibility for their own mistakes.
Why do you call government prediction fantasy.
Learn some basic accounting theory and get back to me.
I will warn you once again. It is private firm accounting and estimates that caused this current depression. Not government.
Not government?
I suggest you learn the difference between an inventory derived recession, and a credit derived depression. Hint: Revue US Treasury Dept. and Federal Reserve monetary policy 1999 to 2007, and 1923 to 1929. posted by
tkozy
on Jul 9, 2009 at 05:52 PM
Don, Are you suggesting that the general public can personally invest in the market and make money? If so:
posted by
tkozy
on Jul 9, 2009 at 06:00 PM
Don, For the sake of the long term investor. Adjust this chart for inflation. Then compare it to income derived from CD's or T-bills since 1975.
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