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tkozy - > There is a Chance -> Shrider, Zack Schrivner sent Cards also...
Shrider, Zack Schrivner sent Cards also...

Shrider,

Why are you wasting ink. Promoting the slop you call editorializing.. Call it what it is. “Propaganda“.

Zack Schrivner sent Cards also...

As long as the practice is legal. It makes no difference where the money came from. It is a waste of money..

The whole idea of sending mass Christmas mailings is absurd and in fact insulting to many.  Keep religion out of government..

Why not get on board with the majority of all of Kern County. Yes, I did say the majority of Republicans, Democrats and others. And speak out against this total waste of money.

Why not insist, that if the money must be spent. Spend it on fixing roads, planting trees or heaven forbid, reducing taxes..

Zack Schrivner sent Cards also...
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posted by tkozy on Jan 16, 2007 at 03:28 PM

I was expecting a Happy Martin Luther King Day card. What’s the deal. Political money only spent on Christian Holidays?

posted by dgrealish on Jan 16, 2007 at 03:54 PM
If the money came out of Zack Schrivner's own pocket, he can spend it however he chooses.  If it was public money, shame on him.  The rest is nothing more than people looking for a reason to be angry.  Who cares if he sends out Christmas Cards.  Or would you prefer he send out Holiday Greeting Cards.  I haven't seen them, so I can't comment on what they said.  But if the city of Bakersfield paid for them, count me in with the angry mob.  If he paid for them himself, get over it and find something real to be angry about.
posted by tkozy on Jan 16, 2007 at 05:33 PM

DG

It’s not about him spending money. It is about sending impersonal greetings as if they came from a honest heart.. These mailings are actions more becoming of a shill. A confidence artist.

As a Jew, a Muslim, a Hindu, a atheist. I don’t want Zacks Christmas greetings anymore than I want spam or unsolicited mail.

DG, you seem adamant about defending Zacks right to send these unsolicited greetings. Something I addressed in my post. Something I agreed with.

The point of my post was about:

Shriders attack on Florez . Without mention of ANY other mailing at Christmas time.

Shriders attack was not worthy of any newspaper. It most resembled a propaganda leaflet.

posted by montfred on Jan 16, 2007 at 07:01 PM

 Marylee writes that  "The senator's response to the objection over the Christmas cards - that he had contributed $15,000 from his own campaign fund to the (anti-sludge) foundation and therefore had covered the cost of the cards - was disingenuous at best.

Marylee  offers a "friendly suggestion" that, "the political prudent thing would be to transfer about $10,000 from his campaign fund back to the campaign fund back to the anti-sludge fund..." 

he did, she said.

posted by dgrealish on Jan 16, 2007 at 08:16 PM

I never claimed to be a Zack Schrivner fan.  I am a big fan however, of spending ones own money anyway one feels.  If the cards offend you throw them in the trash.  Then get over it.  

If I spent my time worrying about every trivial thing that ticked me off, I'd be back on blood pressure meds so fast, I wouldn't know what hit me.  I don't want to be angry all the time.  Receiving a card from someone I don't like for a holiday I don't celebrate isn't worth risking my health and well being.  If I'm going to get angry, let it be over something that really matters. 

posted by tkozy on Jan 16, 2007 at 08:30 PM

DG says:

If I spent my time worrying about every trivial thing that ticked me off

TK says;

If this post is so trivial. Why waste your time here. You’ve posted twice now.

TK continues:

Try reading the blog.

It was addressed to Shrider not Zack. Put a bag over your head and stop hyperventilating. Then have someone read my post to you. Spelling the big words out for you..

My point was. Why criticize Florez for something every politician in Bakersfield does.

Apparently. I chose your political poster boy as an example. And got your panties in a ruffle

You are only drawing attention to the failures of Zack. Not I.

And let me point out. As a representative of the public. No public official can just do as he wishes. Even with his own money.

posted by dgrealish on Jan 16, 2007 at 08:51 PM

Whoa now.  I didn't deserve that, but I hope you feel better.  I'm gone.

posted by tkozy on Jan 16, 2007 at 09:15 PM

DG says:  I didn't deserve that 

TK says: 

You called my post trivial. You value money. But not my right to express an opinion. What did you expect? Flowers, candy and a parade.

You want peace and harmony. Make sure you bring some to the party.

posted by semperdurantem on Jan 16, 2007 at 09:32 PM

When you buy your kid a candy bar do you think "Why am I wasting my money just to make my kid fat; I should have donated it to the `save chester ave. foundation`?"

If Zach Scrivner spent his campaign money to send me a "Happy Quanza" card it probably would have been greeted by a "WTHeck" and the round-file. I would not lose any sleep over it.

I think the issue with cards is when a campaign accepts money to fight a certain issue that has nothing to do with a campaign and uses the "surplus" to send out campaign literature. I wonder if that has ever happened before...

posted by NancyII on Jan 16, 2007 at 09:44 PM

I'm offended by election junk mail in my mailbox but I just throw it away.  I'm wondering why what the guy does with his money is such a big deal?   Is it his money or is it campaign money?  And yes..it does make a difference.     If it's HIS money..what he does with it is his business.  If it's NOT his money..then it becomes the business of whoever supplied it.

We all know it's a political move and not sentimental, I don't think anyone is naive enough to think it's personal. 

posted by tkozy on Jan 16, 2007 at 09:54 PM

Semper

Your going the misguided way of DG. The point of the blog is that Shrider, put out a hateful propaganda poster.. Directed at Florez. Without regard to the actions of other politicians. Including Zack.

My proclamation about the mass mailings.. ’ It is about sending impersonal greetings as if they came from a honest heart.. These mailings are actions more becoming of a shill. A confidence artist.’

Are still valid points.

Kind of like buying your kid candy. So he will wash your feet.

I don’t know of any politician, including Florez or Zack, that used illegal money to make the mailings. But why did Shrider directly and hatefully attack Florez? Propaganda.

As far as surplus political money. B. Thomas has 100’s of thousands of dollars of surplus money. That he is spending as he sees fit.

posted by dgrealish on Jan 16, 2007 at 10:02 PM
I said I was gone, but I will defend myself.  Very little of your post was about Shrider's column.  You are the one who brought up the waste of money.  Then, when I pointed out that a person could do what they wanted with their own money and said I didn't allow trivial matters (how people spent their own money) bother me, you attacked.  Forget the 409.  It's too late to clean it up!  Now, I'm out of here!
posted by tkozy on Jan 16, 2007 at 10:04 PM

Nancy says:  I'm wondering why what the guy does with his money is such a big deal?

 

TK says:

It’s not. My suggestion, for better use of the money, were an aside from the main topic.

The topic was Shriders hateful attack on Flores.

DG got off topic. Started hyperventilating and her blood pressure went sky high. Her vision blurred and needed someone to read the blog to her.

posted by tkozy on Jan 16, 2007 at 10:08 PM

 

DG says: Forget the 409.

TK says:

Don't think any clean-up on my part is necessary.

posted by NancyII on Jan 16, 2007 at 10:17 PM

You hit on several things other than Shriders attack on Flores..you mentioned a waste of money and then you mentioned that religion should be kept out of politics.  Why is it necessary to attack people who address the things you mentioned?

I find it very odd that on these blogs, if a person states their opinion they can be accused of being angry, hostile, hot headed, or upset when it isn't  the case at all.  Sometimes a statement is just that.  A statement.  There doesn't have to be any negative emotion at all.  I talk about all sorts of things but it doesn't mean I'm about to have a stroke.  I was accused of it the other day and now DG is accused of it.  How do you know her mood when she posted her opinion?

Do the rules only apply to some and not all?  Are only select people allowed to voice their opinion without being accused of  having some emotional outburst?  Someone needs to post the rules of opinion.

posted by tkozy on Jan 16, 2007 at 10:35 PM

Blogs are a difficult way to express your feelings. That’s why I ignore what is normally consider correct grammar. And tend to use a lot of periods. Periods make people stop and think. Commas are easily ignored and long sentences allow ones mind to wander.

And:

I only use harsh works with regards to fellow bloggers. In response to the same.

I attacked Shriders editorial for good reason. Her editorial was a hateful political attack without reason or noble purpose. That was the point of the post.

The rest. Whipped topping for your pleasure.

Artistic license. Wordsmything at it’s best.

This was no prom. And I wasn’t looking for a dance..

DG’s puffed up her chest, and brought herself to the fight.

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