The real Dr. Adrian Rogers. Just for rwest

Adrian Rogers was the three-term president of the Southern Baptist Convention

Had this to say.

"I believe slavery is a much maligned institution; if we had slavery today, we would not have this welfare mess."

TK says:

Is this the type of Christian thinking you support Rwest?

The Five Biggest Lies in the Health Care Debate

http://www.newsweek.com/id/...

http://www.anthem.com/?WT.m...

For 5 grand a year this is the health plan you get for your family.

A disgusting excuse for a even a catastrophic plan.

A 5000 buck deductible that is not counted against your 5000 dollar out of pocket. So that means 10 grand per year out of pocket. Plus 5 grand in premiums for a total of 15 grand per year. Only 5 grand of that would be reimbursed in the form of a refundable tax credit.

In patient hospitalization you pay 650 bucks per day.

30% co pays.

No maternity

You have to use in network providers. You can not just choose any doctor. Out of network doctors are 50% co pay and out of pocket goes to 20000 bucks with a 10 grand deductible not counted against the out of pocket expenses.

15 bucks or 40% co pays which ever is higher on drugs.

You should be ashamed of your self if you should think this is the type of plan that McCarthy and the republicans are offering for over 400 bucks a month.

I will say it again. The McCarthy plan is Christmas all year round for the insurance industry.

The Five Biggest Lies in the Health Care Debate

http://www.newsweek.com/id/...

HR 615 is a waste of Congressional time and taxpayer money.

This resolution was to place Congress people into the same plan as all other citizens.

The problem of course being.

None of the bills are a single payer system

There is no single plan to draw members into..

Dr. Michelle Quiogue Thank you for your excellent editorial. Pg b 11.

You and your fellow physicians have the facts, The sad facts about health care in America.

You are the people that know what is needed to fix this mess. For you to take the time to write this editorial in a largely conservative republican town. Takes a lot of courage.

You have done a wonderful service to our country just by taking the time to become a physician.

Thank you.

Your courage to stand up to make the system even better.

Is commendable.

For days, I have asked for someone to support the Republican HR 3400. No real favorable response yet.

Okay,

I have asked this question for days. Yet no real favorable response from anyone. Conservative or liberal.

Let's work on the Democrat plan. Make it as close as perfect as humanly possible.

And sleep better at night knowing that we have accomplished something that will save peoples lives.

Something that will put a smile on children's faces.

Sacramento tea party a total failure.

Estimates of only 1500 to 4000 attended.

http://www.anthem.com/?WT.m...

For 5 grand a year this is the health plan you get for your family.

A disgusting excuse for a even a catastrophic plan.

A 5000 buck deductible that is not counted against your 5000 dollar out of pocket. So that means 10 grand per year out of pocket. Plus 5 grand in premiums for a total of 15 grand per year. Only 5 grand of that would be reimbursed in the form of a refundable tax credit.

In patient hospitalization you pay 650 bucks per day.

30% co pays.

No maternity

You have to use in network providers. You can not just choose any doctor. Out of network doctors are 50% co pay and out of pocket goes to 20000 bucks with a 10 grand deductible not counted against the out of pocket expenses.

15 bucks or 40% co pays which ever is higher on drugs.

You should be ashamed of your self if you should think this is the type of plan that McCarthy and the republicans are offering for over 400 bucks a month.

I will say it again. The McCarthy plan is Christmas all year round for the insurance industry.

http://www.anthem.com/?WT.m...

For 5 grand a year this is the health plan you get for your family.

A disgusting excuse for a even a catastrophic plan.

A 5000 buck deductible that is not counted against your 5000 dollar out of pocket. So that means 10 grand per year out of pocket. Plus 5 grand in premiums for a total of 15 grand per year. Only 5 grand of that would be reimbursed in the form of a refundable tax credit.

In patient hospitalization you pay 650 bucks per day.

30% co pays.

No maternity

You have to use in network providers. You can not just choose any doctor. Out of network doctors are 50% co pay and out of pocket goes to 20000 bucks with a 10 grand deductible not counted against the out of pocket expenses.

15 bucks or 40% co pays which ever is higher on drugs.

You should be ashamed of your self if you should think this is the type of plan that McCarthy and the republicans are offering for over 400 bucks a month.

I will say it again. The McCarthy plan is Christmas all year round for the insurance industry.

Why no conservatives commenting on McCarthy’s 5000 buck per family gift to health insurance.

Why do they want to concentrate on HR3200. When they have their own bill to publicize?

McCarthy said that the government deficit was the most import topic in order to save America.

He is absolutely wrong.

The government can just print more money. The individual citizen can not.

It is the debt of the American citizen and small business that is the most important topic that must be addressed in order to get America back on track.

As long as health care destroys our ability to spend on consumer products. Or economy will never rebound. Our businesses will never be able to compete over seas with out health care reform.

I wish I could find the total amount being paid by both employers and individuals to health Insurance premiums. No luck so far. But I would bet that that amount would dwarf the 1.8 trillion.

The truth about the VA pamphlet Your Life Your Choices.

http://www.ethics.va.gov/YL...

The true reason McCarth didn’t want to talk about the Republican plan

I looked up HR 3400. There is no summary on Congress.gov.

Lots about Health associations.

Must be at least 1000 pages couldn't read it all tonight

It seems to be a plan that relies on employer honesty a lot. Aren't these the same people that hire illegal aliens. So they can make their payments on the Hummer?

HR 3400 would give a 5000 dollar/year health insurance tax credit to a family of 6 living at 200 percent of the Federal poverty guideline (as determined by the Secretary of Health and Human Service for the taxable year. For a family of 4 that is 22,000 bucks this year. 44 grand would qualify for the 5000 buck credit.

5000 bucks appears to be the maximum for any family size above 2 adults and 2 children. 2000 for 1 adult, 4000 for 2 adults. 500 per child up to a maximum of 2 children

That’s a 416 dollars a month refundable credit. That’s taxpayer money sent directly to a for profit insurance company. Not to a doctor. Not to a hospital.

And whose going to pay for the insurance of the family at 220% of the Federal poverty guideline. Your dreaming if you think they can afford 416 bucks a month .

A family of 4 buying a home making 44 grand a year. Pays very little if any income taxes.

How does McCarthy propose to pay for that?

This bill sounds a lot like Medicare Part ‘D’ for the health insurance industry.

What was McCarthy’s answer to the 10th amendment questions?

Did he have one?

Why  is Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel  spoken so bitterly of.

Well it stems from a book he co-wrote conserning scarce organ recipients.
Called:

Principles for allocation of scarce medical interventions

Original TextGovind Persad BS a, Alan Wertheimer PhD a, Ezekiel J Emanuel MD a
Summary
Allocation of very scarce medical interventions such as organs and vaccines is a persistent ethical challenge. We evaluate eight simple allocation principles that can be classified into four categories: treating people equally, favouring the worst-off, maximising total benefits, and promoting and rewarding social usefulness. No single principle is sufficient to incorporate all morally relevant considerations and therefore individual principles must be combined into multiprinciple allocation systems. We evaluate three systems: the United Network for Organ Sharing points systems, quality-adjusted life-years, and disability-adjusted life-years. We recommend an alternative system—the complete lives system—which prioritises younger people who have not yet lived a complete life, and also incorporates prognosis, save the most lives, lottery, and instrumental value principles.


Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel  is a liberal conservative.
He is called a admitted communist because he endorses a thing called communitarians.

Comparison to other political philosophies
Communitarianism cannot be classified as being wholly left or right, and many theorists claim to represent a sort of radical center. Liberals in the American sense or social democrats in the European sense generally share the communitarian position on issues relating to the economy, such as the need for environmental protection and public education, but not on cultural issues. Communitarians and conservatives generally agree on cultural issues, such as support for character education and faith-based programs, but communitarians do not support the laissez-faire capitalism generally embraced by American conservatives.

 

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Dr. K is giving away free medical care at the local emergency rooms.

That’s what he said on the Ralph Bailey show.

I think we should all show up at the local emergency rooms to take him up on that deal.

Learnyuorself,

How long have you been blocking my comments?

800 confirmed conservatives for the McCarthy sideshow? Count me out.

After reading Beene’s editorial and his sampling of RSVP’s to McCarthy. It seems even more apparent now. That for me to attend the McCarthy circus would be no different that to hang naked upside down in front of city hall. And supply the cat-O-Nine tails to the crowd.

No thanks. I can see all the fun and games on TV. I can watch all the wing nutz make McCarthy look foolish and detached from reality.

Whether I am there or not. I will still be able to tally up the lies that McCarthy fails to correct. I will still be able to justify calling McCarthy a liar. If he allows the misinformation to fill the air.

Costa, since when did ‘blue dog’ stand for wishy washy can’t take a stand politician?

Your proposals in the article today would mean nothing. Do you think that with out a public option you could ever get private industry to include those with pre existing conditions into their programs. Do you think that without a public option you will ever get rid of health care maximums?

Those ideas would never fly. Unless of course you granted the insurance industry premium increases.

Oh, But you got that covered. Your going to give the industry a gift. By FORCING healthy 18 to 42 year olds to buy into your admittedly insufficient program.

The only way for costs to come down is to include al Americans.

Reform must include all Americans. And it must include a public option. Or co op.

If you believe your own gibberish you better have the contents of the trough you have drinking out of examined. Your not making proper sense.

There won’t be any more people added to the health care system. There will only be more people added to the health insurance system. That is a good thing. Look at the blogs on auto insurance. What is the biggest complaint? It is that those responsible people are paying for the damages caused by those who do not own insurance. Driving up the costs for insurance. Well imagine if there was a requirement for prepaid 12 month insurance at the time of registration. Sure there would be scofflaws that circumvent the system, but the fact remains. The more people insured. The lower the cost for all.

The same holds true for health insurance.

And if you have the extra money. You will still be able to by more coverage. Nothing for the wealthy will change.

The idea Americans should read all bills is insane.

What is this junk being regurgitated around the town halls about reading all bills.

We have a Representative democracy. We elect leaders to run our nation. They hire aides to review and write bills meant to help America compete in the world and protect the health and welfare of our nation.

Just like any American CEO. The aides are tasked with informing the boss of documents necessary for them to do their work.

Does anyone really expect Americans to read each and every bill?

Would it make any sense in a representative democracy for that to take place. How many town halls would be had. If the Congressmen were stuck in the Congressional library? .

The argument is a diversion from reality.

It deflects criticism of the opposing view and implies that those who oppose progress have indeed read the bills and in fact they have not.

See this ridiculous argument for the lies it propagated. Read and indulge yourself all that you can. Listen to different views. But in no way believe that you are uninformed if you have not read a legal document that you most likely can not understand. A document loaded with information that affects the operation of the bill. But has absolutely no impact on your lives.

In 1961 Ronald  Reagan said Medicare would be the end of free men in America.. That Medicare would put Dr.’s on a bus and force them to live where the government tells them to live.

The Dr.’s would decide not to save us.

From Medicare it is just a short step to socialism he said.

Ronald Reagan was dead wrong. Just like the wing nuts today.

Today you’d have to drag Medicare out of the cold dead hands of the retired and disabled.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

You know, Reagan in retrospect wasn’t right about many things.

Another great Editorial by Dr. Bezdek. McCarthy take a listen. You might learn something.

There seems to be a lot of criticism of Costa for him not going to McCarthy's town hall. Costa readily admits he does not have a deep enough understanding of the bill to hold a town hall concerning it. Let alone vote on it tomorrow.

By the way. Costa is not McCarthy’s servant. Costa is a representative on his own merit. He represents different people than McCarthy. And should be able to meet with his constituents in the manner they chose.

If Obama were to have a town hall here. I  could see McCarthy, Costa and others all attending an Obama Town hall.

Those who would expect Costa should atttend McCarthy's town hall. Would you expect that McCarthy attend  a Costa town hall. and why would Costa want him there?

Why would Costa’s constituents want him there?

Nurses, Doctors, Teachers, Fire, LE, Union members show your support For health Reform.

Every day you see the effects of America’s irresponsible form of Health care. You see this in the eyes of the children. The public that do not have the health care access that you do.

These are the people that pay your wages. Show them you care.

You ask for the publics support in your contract negotiations. Shouldn’t the needy public expect the same?

You know what the polls say. Over 70% of America insists that Our health care system needs reform. Show the public the power of association. Show them the good that unions can do for them. Set them on the road to the prosperity and good health that you enjoy.

You have seen the news. You know that there will be intimidation. You know that Unions have the strength of numbers that can make this town hall meeting an important part of forming America’s future.

Show the world we support health Care reform. And we can show our support in a respectful manor. Even in the presence of leadership that will not respect us.

Do we have a chance even in the presence of a man who would label health Care reform a take over of health Care. Sure we do.

Do we have a chance in the face of the likes of Glen Beck who will change his story to support his own personal paycheck. With out Regards for the health of your Children OR Grandmothers.. (please watch the following video and don‘t forget this is the man that says America’s health care is the best in the world now that he works for Fox ).

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

You know that this type of hypocrisy is what is fueling the unruliness seen as of late.

Be there. Be respectful and expect to be shown respect by our elected officials.

Insist that McCarthy shout down the lies.

Insist on reasonable questions. And truthful answers.

This is not about a football game where you pick sides because mom and dad decided which high school you should go to. This isn’t a game where you take sides no matter they be good or bad. Whether they be right or wrong.

This is about real life and what is good for the health of America.

And health care reform will be good for Doctors.

For Nurses.

And for America.

Glen Beck says U.S health care is a disgrace.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Local reporters should ask the questions at the town hall.

It is evident that to this date a great many of the town hall meetings have been a total waste of time.

Why not have local news agencies collect from their readers and listeners a number of questions. We have more than enough time to do so.

And then have those reporters present the questions to McCarthy.

There is no doubt a large number of people have a large interest in this meeting. Why should we let it go to waste.

The questions at hand are not of emotion, of fear or of hate. They are questions of our medical future.

That being so. It is important the questions get asked. And answered in a manner that can be heard and understood.

The passing of the microphone to one who has from even this day made a decision to disrupt the meeting. Is pointless.

Unless of course your objective is to present hate. Not hope.

McCarthy, will you correct lies at your town hall.

Failing to do so would be the same as if the lie was spoken with your very own lips.

How many people  believe that Obama isn't a citizen.

Come on.  Fess up..

How many people believe there is a death panel in the health bill

Come on Fess up..

Congressmen McCarthy lies. Yet TBC prints the lie verbatim. What’s up?

I have plans to be there, if not. Record this e-mail as being pro health care reform.

I take great offense to your stating that any plan is a government take over of health care.

That is a blatant lie meant to agitate the many low life's that have attended recent congressional meetings.

Your specific lie is in effect a method of intimidating those that are pro health care reform. And stacking your audience with those that support your pro Corporate health care stand.

Don't show your self to be the disgrace that many at these town hall meetings have been.

I expect to attend this meeting and be able to speak my views. And not be intimidated by gun toting bullhorn shouting idiots paid for by a corrupt health insurance Corporation.

A person elected to led. Should be a person who can control a town hall meeting.

Infowar posts more fake information.

The likes of Infowar work on the principle that if you scream fire loud enought some people will start to smell smoke.  They are running a propaganda game. What is truly disheartening is that in order that they should win this game.  America and it's citizens must fail.
 
Did this type of trash circulate during the Great depression. If one would believe the history taught in schools of my time. The message that was to be highlighted during the great depression was one of 'Happy Days are hear again'.   Not one that spelled the demise of our beloved Nation.
 
The truth of the Fake Kenyan BC follows.
Monday, Aug. 3, 2009 11:15 EDT
Birthers release forged Kenyan birth certificate for Obama
To hear the Birthers tell it, their Holy Grail has been found: Over the weekend, de facto movement leader Orly Taitz #HYPERLINK "#HYPERLINK "http://www.wnd.com/index.ph... a photo of what is supposedly a certified copy of a Kenyan birth certificate for President Obama, which shows that he was born in Mombasa, Kenya, and not in Hawaii.
The movement is, naturally, all abuzz. But even people who might normally be inclined to support it, like the founder of conservative forum FreeRepublic.com and the Birthers' favorite self-proclaimed document expert, who declared Obama's Hawaiian certification of live birth a forgery, are calling foul. The document is just another in an increasingly long line of fakes intended to prove Obama wasn't born in the U.S.
How do we know?
First of all, Obama was born in Hawaii. He has released a copy of his actual birth certificate -- the same kind of copy anyone requesting their birth certificate from the state would get -- and it has repeatedly been authenticated by Hawaii officials. They've also said that they've checked the original record in their files, and that Obama was born in Hawaii. Those records are supported by two newspaper announcements from the time of the president's birth -- and those announcements weren't submitted by the family, but taken from hospital records.
The Birthers won't care about that, of course -- they haven't yet.
But there are major, glaring flaws in this latest forgery, which is supposedly a copy produced in February of 1964 by the government of the Republic of Kenya (Obama was born in 1961, but the Birthers believe this particular document was related to his parents' divorce).
The biggest? Kenya gained its independence from the United Kingdom in December of 1963, but was known as the Dominion of Kenya until December of 1964 -- 10 months after this copy was allegedly made -- when it became a republic and changed its name.
There are some other basic issues with the document, including the age it gives for Obama's father, who's listed as 26. But Barack Obama Sr. was born in 1936, making him 24 or 25 at the time of his son's birth and 27 or 28 at the time the copy is dated.
The Washington Independent's David Weigel makes another good point about the location of birth given, saying Mombasa just doesn't fit a basic Occam's Razor test and is instead part of the conspiracy theories about Obama's religion:
The image is part of the extremely ill-informed conspiracy theory that Obama was born in Mombasa -- conveniently, one of the more Muslim parts of the country.
This has always been a red flag for conspiracy theorists, so it deserves some explanation. Barack Obama Sr. was born and educated in Nyanza Province, in southwestern Kenya, on Lake Victoria. This is the area where Obama’s family lived and continues to live; Sarah Obama, the step-grandmother of the president, lives in Nyang’oma Kogelo, a small town in the province. But Mombasa is a city on the Indian Ocean, a thousand miles to the east. It didn’t even have an international airport until 1979. And the city wasn’t even part of Kenya when the future president was born. Mombasa was a part of Zanzibar until December 12, 1963, when it became part of the newly independent Kenya.
The new forgery? Why, it claims that the president was born in Coast General Hospital in Mombasa.
Taitz also filed the document in court as part of the case in which she's representing Alan Keyes. (Two plaintiffs, including Keyes' running mate, have just dropped off the case, citing "irreconcilable differences with counsel," not the first time Taitz's eccentric legal strategies have led to disillusionment.)
Even by Taitz's standards, the motion that accompanies the document is bizarre and incoherent. Among other things, she asks that Hillary Clinton, as secretary of state, write to Kenya and to the U.K. and ask for their files, and says that discovery in the case should be expedited because "hearsay evidence exists that an individual involved in the examination of passport files at the United States Department of State relating to and involving certain 2008 Presidential candidates may have been killed in relation to such inquiry."
As always, Taitz started with a small morsel of the truth there and then spun way off from reality. In the filing, she writes, "Lt. Querl Harris was one of the suspects in passport tampering scandal. Washington post [sic] has announced that he was cooperating with the FBI and shortly thereafter he was found dead, shot in the head, sitting in his parked car."
It was actually a man named Quarles Harris, not "Querl," and it was the Washington Times, not the Washington Post. And Harris was indeed under investigation relating to passports at the State Department -- but it had nothing to do with the people who looked at Obama's passport records, among others. According to the Times, Harris was cooperating after he was stopped and "found in possession of 21 credit cards and eight printouts of State Department passport applications." He allegedly told authorities that he was part of a fraud ring that applied for credit cards using information obtained from the applications. But he's shown up on at least one "Obama Body Count" (shades of the Clintons) so it's natural that a conspiracist like Taitz would know something about his case and see it as evidence for her own cause.
Update: Two British professors who specialize in African history have e-mailed Salon to point out another apparent error in the purportedly Kenyan document. The certificate's header reads Coast Province -- but according to the professors, at the time the document is dated, what are now known as provinces were called regions.
Writes Dan Branch, an assistant professor of African history at the University of Warwick:
It seems highly implausible and certainly a hoax. I have not seen any documents from this period in early 1964 that uses the heading of Republic of Kenya -- unsurprisingly given Kenya was not a Republic until December 1964. Moreover, the label of 'Region' was being used in early 1964 instead of 'Province.' While some of the old colonial forms may have still been in circulation, which would have used 'Coast Province,' these would have been headed as 'Colony & Protectorate of Kenya.'
As for his qualifications to judge the document and the header on it, Branch e-mails, "I''ve been working in the Kenyan archives on late-colonial and post-colonial history for the past eight years."
Additional reporting by Gabriel Winant .
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