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May 8, 2008 at 07:05 AM : I'm mad as hell...

I'm mad as hell about all this............

May 8, 2008 at 07:05 AM : Go Chico Go. ...

Go Chico Go. We have a great system that ususally works just fine without interference from anti-authority folks. Heck even the paintiff attornies like it. I too am tired of a lot of folks getting a bit of info then assume that police are wrong again.

May 8, 2008 at 08:05 AM : Couldn't agree...

Couldn't agree more Chico. I also, am sick and tired of people jumping to conculsions before all the facts are in.

May 8, 2008 at 08:05 AM : Getting so bad who...

Getting so bad who will want the job Chico. Then what will all the bleeding hearts do when they have to protect themselves from the barbarians overrunning America?

May 8, 2008 at 08:05 AM : These blogs are...

These blogs are nothing but opinion; not too many people care about the facts, so why be upset by that?

It looks like they pulled the driver and passengers out (after a pursuit) and started beating the crap out of them. One officer left one beating and started in on another!

It's excessive and to try to say it's okay, because they may have done (fill in the blank), is just absurd. It is not okay to drag people out of a vehicle and immediately commence to beat them down. The police should get them out, get them secured and it's over. If they resist, yes go ahead and get your issue, but when the bad guy stops, the good guys have to stop too.

You can't have it both ways, saying for instance, BPD cops went too far with Leon and then say these yahoos in PA were good.

May 8, 2008 at 08:05 AM : Well thankfully public...

Well thankfully public opinion means nothing. These guys should get their day in court, so to speak. My money is on some heads rolling. That's not rushing to judgement, that's just an opinion, which in the end, has no bearing on the outcome.

May 8, 2008 at 08:05 AM : Funny how it seems to...

Funny how it seems to be the same people who recently complained about people who are passing judgement on Rev. Wright and his disciple, Barack Obama, because of "30 second soundbites" supposedly taken out of context are now ready to convict these cops of crimes against humanity. The biggest mistake the officers made was to not walk up to the car, suspect the occupants of reaching for a weapon, and shoot them all dead.

May 8, 2008 at 08:05 AM : It looks...

It looks like they pulled the driver and passengers out (after a pursuit) and started beating the crap out of them. One officer left one beating and started in on another!

Not only is this indicative of missing my entire point, it is an articulation of the blatantly obvious from someone in a lazy-boy generalling a sitrep he knows less than nothing about.

Obviously cops are supposed to stop when the suspect has been "neutralized". Just as obviously cops are not supposed to "just pull people out of cars and start beating them". (gee, I thought that was OK) Sheesh! Is the sun going to rise in the East and set in the West today? Why not instruct all of us on that one? Pedanticiscm be thy name!

But you ever hooked someone up and they still are able to kick you, spit in your face, etc.? I didn't think so. You look at a few seconds of video and think you know the real dope. Nope. But dope is operative term here........... If the [edit.]...........

May 8, 2008 at 09:05 AM : WE DO NOT NEED THE...

WE DO NOT NEED THE FACTS IN THIS CASE. WE HAVE THE VIDEO. THE COPS BEAT THE [edit.] OUT OF THESE YOUNG BLACK MEN. THEY NEED TO BE PROSECUTED SO THIS TYPE OF NONSENSE WILL STOP.

START PROSECUTING COPS AND TRUST ME THEY WILL STOP. THEY HAVE THE BALLS TO THROW YOU IN THE SLAMMER BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THE BALLS TO DO THE TIME THEMSELVES. THEY WILL HAVE TO BE PC'D UP BECAUSE THEY ARE VERY MACHO ON THE STREETS .....BUT WITHOUT THEIR WAIST FULL OF GOODIES THEIR MACHONESS SOMEHOW FADES...........

WE ALL NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE....ACCOUNTABILITY IS THE WORD FOR TODAY.

May 8, 2008 at 09:05 AM : I have three in laws...

I have three in laws who are police officers. Every working day is an exercise of restraint for them. It is demoralizing when the good guys have a breakdown of discipline, we expect them to be above over reaction. I don't think I'd last 30 minutes on the street as a cop. Just too many jerks out there for my temperament.

Bottom line after all is said, I'd rather take my chances with a cop in a bad mood than an armed gang-banger looking for prey.

May 8, 2008 at 10:05 AM : They were just...

They were just "securing" them.

May 8, 2008 at 10:05 AM : timec, as long as the...

timec, as long as the ranks of LE are made up of humans, there will always be instances of someone doing something they are not supposed to do.

Just as as long as there are young black men, there will always be young criminal gang members.

May 8, 2008 at 10:05 AM : You take an oath when...

You take an oath when you become a cop. If you know you could never be a good cop ...DON'T JOIN THE FORCE. I know if I were a cop I would beat the crap out of some smart ass. That is why I became a PSOG....I sit behind a desk and blog. I really do appreciate the good cops on the force. I think it is remarkable to put their life on the line to keep my family safe...I just can't stand the cocky ones and the ones that go around thinking they are Barney Bad Ass.

May 8, 2008 at 10:05 AM : OB Just as long as...

Just as long as there are white men, there will always be serial killers....sounds stupid huh.

Gang members come in all colors.....young white men are also in gangs...I know quite a few. Tell me you or your buddies have never been to the country or eastside and arrested a white crip.....lets keep it 100.

May 8, 2008 at 10:05 AM : The cops need to...

The cops need to exercise better judgement. Starting with when to use their guns. I'm with drilnliftcrude as this could have ended well before it started. Funny how the bad guys always need to be protected from the cops. A few sound bites and video snippets can make anything look bad. How many of us have been dragged from our cars and beaten for doing nothing wrong? Never happened to me in 40 years time. If it had I'd buy a clue that I had crossed the line somewhere and I probably deserved what I got. Its called accountability!

May 8, 2008 at 10:05 AM : timec, you say you...

timec, you say you appreciate the good cops on the force, but on another blog yesterday you said cops are crooks. You are wishy washy.

May 8, 2008 at 10:05 AM : TCinBako, ...

TCinBako,

How many of us have been dragged from our cars and beaten for doing nothing wrong?

You must be white....You guys are in denial about cops. Cops are more likely to use force on blacks than whites. Please tell me the last time you heard of a cop beating a white man for no reason....It very seldom happens to you guys.....

May 8, 2008 at 10:05 AM : I am not wishy...

I am not wishy washy...When I say cops are crooks does not mean I feel they ALL are. I am not stupid. I was just making a general statement. I know that there are good cops ..hell I am related to a good cop.

Just like your young black men statement. I know you don't think that ALL young black men are gang members (do you?) ...but quite a bit are.

May 8, 2008 at 10:05 AM : WE DO NOT...

WE DO NOT NEED THE FACTS IN THIS CASE. WE HAVE THE VIDEO. THE COPS BEAT THE S**T OUT OF THESE YOUNG BLACK MEN.

Yep, this just about says it all.

Thx for making my point better than I EVER could Timec.........................

May 8, 2008 at 10:05 AM : Well if it turns out...

Well if it turns out that these guys were simply suspects, and it comes out that they were not breaking the law in anyway (I don't know the specifics) then I think all of us hope the officers are prosecuted....right???

May 8, 2008 at 11:05 AM : You are...

You are welcome Chico.....

You guys are willing to accept the snippets of Rev Wright's tapes ..but you need to see all of the events leading up to this beat down......Give me a break!

May 8, 2008 at 11:05 AM : What happens when the...

What happens when the cops are cowed into backing off?

May 8, 2008 at 11:05 AM : Perfect example...

Perfect example Drilnlift

Like with gun control, the good law abiding cits will be the ones to suffer.........

LAPD has fewer PC arrests than your country

(I can prove it -- know why? -- cops have been told to back off, Sgt then Cmdr has to approve, City Atty gets inolved in each arrest -- takes 9 hrs ave to do one arrest -- know who suffers?)

May 8, 2008 at 11:05 AM : Well, Dril, for one...

Well, Dril, for one thing they don't shoot the wrong guy 50 times...

May 8, 2008 at 11:05 AM : It was said that these...

It was said that these guys were just involved in a shooting. Better to beat them unconscious than give them a chance to pull a gun out of their baggy britches and start blasting away.

May 8, 2008 at 12:05 PM : Lee Ann ...

Lee Ann

They did not do anything wrong. The only thing they were guilty of was DWB. The cops have changed their story and are now saying a fourth person fired shots and ran.....b/s. There is no sign of a gun or a fourth person and they damn sure wouldn't have let this alleged shooter get away.......crazy!

May 8, 2008 at 12:05 PM : Come on Lee Ann....

Come on Lee Ann. Don't you know by now that timec always has the true facts before anyone else?

May 8, 2008 at 01:05 PM : Well, Dril, for one...

Well, Dril, for one thing they don't shoot the wrong guy 50 times...

So Random, you got say 3 or 4 officers trained on a suspect and he pulls what even appears to be a gun and they do as trained. Unload on him until threat is neutralized.

So you may have anywhere from 42 to 56 rounds expended if they have to go through magazine, or even if you had 10 officers trained on him and each one goes through just 5 to neutralize threat. It happens in an instant. That's their training. Still think its excessive? I guess you weren't there. I wasn't either but each case has its own mitigating circumstances.....You can't just go by no. of rounds fired. There are always extenuating circumstances.

Thats why you have Shooting Review Board's.

May 8, 2008 at 01:05 PM : Come on Lee...

Come on Lee Ann. Don't you know by now that timec always has the true facts before anyone else?

Yep, lets just assume the cops are guilty. Guilty until proven innocent (impossible to do with some of the public of course) thats the ticket. Especially if they belong to certain ethnic groupings.......

And, of course, after Shooting Review Board, lets further assume that its just a "cover-up".

I just get tired of it...........

May 8, 2008 at 01:05 PM : How do you know...

How do you know they didn't do anything wrong?

The only part of the video you see is that they've already got the perps out on the ground. You don't know if the guys in the car were giving them attitude, flipping off the cops, or what-have-you. I'm sorry, but the way things are in this world now, I really don't blame the cops for beating the crap out a guy who was just in a shooting incident. Timec, I don't think you realize what kind of crap a cop has to put up with when you have scum of the earth low-lives out there.

Ok, O.B., I forgot. Some people get the inside scoop before the rest of the world.

May 8, 2008 at 01:05 PM : Isn't there an...

Isn't there an old saying shot when you see the BLACKS in their eyes

May 8, 2008 at 02:05 PM : Chico- Would you be...

Chico-

Would you be asking the same questions if the men doing the beating were not police officers? Would it be different it was a video of civilians dragging people out of cars and beating the crap out of them?

May 8, 2008 at 02:05 PM : And if it turns out...

And if it turns out the victims didn't do anything wrong besides being black, I really don't blame the judge for throwing the book at the cops for "assault under color of authority."

Like *THAT* ever happens...

May 8, 2008 at 02:05 PM : No truthhurts, that...

No truthhurts, that would be a NASCAR event....

May 8, 2008 at 02:05 PM : must have been a...

must have been a Clinton appointed Judge

May 8, 2008 at 02:05 PM : LeeAnn- Are you...

LeeAnn-

Are you honestly trying to tell people it is ok to drag people out of cars and hit and beat them for giving them the bird? Oh, and just in case you don't think I know what police officers go through I have friends that are CO's, BPD, and CHP.

May 8, 2008 at 02:05 PM : Don't' get...

Don't' get me started on Nascar...Please make a right hand turn...Turn right dammit!!!!

May 8, 2008 at 02:05 PM : Plus gas isnt high...

Plus gas isnt high enough yet looking for $10.00 a gal then we will see alot of horse and alot of liberals smelling there [edit.] then they will complain about the Horse [edit.] on the ground

They took out paper bags with plastic now they want paper back it's like a DOG chasing it's tail round and round and no place to go

May 8, 2008 at 02:05 PM : Lee Ann Are you...

Lee Ann

Are you kidding me? I don't give a [edit.] if the guys in the car gave them attitude. They had no reason to beat these young men. If a cop pulls me over and gets snippy with me ...you better believe I am going to get an attitude....and I dare them to lay a finger on me. I would love to buy my children 50,000 dollar vehicles with 22 inch rims at the expense of the police department.

May 8, 2008 at 02:05 PM : Some people have never...

Some people have never been in a fight. In their whole entire lives.

So they sit back and make the prosaic pedantic postulate that:

ONCE A SUSPECT IS CUFFED OR OTHERWISE SUBDUED, THE COPS SHOULD STOP!

Oh really........... Well that may sound good but a guy cuffed up can kick you, even punch you with a double fisted uppercut, etc. Point is, all situations are unique unto themselves when people are involved and there are no absolutes. Just like in war where best laid plans can go to crap after first shot is fired, after first punch is thrown sometimes the obvious becomes illusory and downright unattainable. SOP's are great, but when you're dealing with scumbags that don't want you dealing with them ...... there are just no absolute right or wrongs. Thus Review Boards.

Heck, if it were easy most everyone would take 3 @ 50 and 90 to 107.5% of salary!!

May 8, 2008 at 02:05 PM : Apparently, these...

Apparently, these "victims" were seen shooting at people and then running from police.

"The officers had seen the suspects fire shots, injuring three people standing on a street corner, before fleeing in a vehicle, the commissioner said. A fourth suspect escaped on foot, he said."

It seems that they are victims in the eyes of the Obama electorate. Hope and Change baby.

May 8, 2008 at 02:05 PM : timec, your last...

timec, your last comment was so ghetto.

May 8, 2008 at 02:05 PM : Apparently that's...

Apparently that's one of the stories the police told, yes.

May 8, 2008 at 02:05 PM : They should consider...

They should consider themselves LUCKY and thankful to be alive!! If they were in fact shooting and injured 3 people, the police had a right to cap their [edit.]!!

May 8, 2008 at 02:05 PM : Dril Who cares what...

Dril

Who cares what they did before the beating? That is what we have courts for. Let the judge hang them. They came up with the fourth suspect story after the fact. The helicopters captured the beating ...guess what they didn't see.........ding ding ding....... a fourth suspect because there isn't one. Get a grip. They would have never let the fourth suspect get away....and of course the 4th guy had the gun.

Obama 08....I voted for Billary but I have now changed my mind since she can't seem to get her stories straight......

May 8, 2008 at 02:05 PM : It was intended to be...

It was intended to be ghetto. I am going to be hood rich when one of your cocky buddies pull me over and kick my [edit.] because I have a smart mouth........

May 8, 2008 at 03:05 PM : We've got this...

We've got this silly little thing called the 6th Amendment to the United States Constitution.

It would seem some here need to refresh themselves on what it says.and why it is important.

May 8, 2008 at 03:05 PM : Funny thing in this...

Funny thing in this case (all of them really)

The ones putting out all the "info" are the ones who think the cops are guilty (other than official statement from City so far)

The cops involved and their cohorts are keeping mouths shut. So a lot of misinformation is being put out there by the defense atty types hoping to stir up emotions. Its good for their business. So over the next few weeks you're bound to hear most anything about how innocent these poor beating victims are and of course it will be all based on the "facts".

May 8, 2008 at 03:05 PM : Oenghus What does the...

Oenghus

What does the 6th amendment have to do with this......?

May 8, 2008 at 03:05 PM : Chico You must have...

Chico

You must have missed the press conference by the chief of their department. He said it was wrong and the cops could face charges. He also said they were not professional.....his words not mine.

May 8, 2008 at 03:05 PM : timec, I am sure...

timec, I am sure "hood rich" to you is a "new" 2004 Cadillac, new pink house slippers, (for those dress up trips out to WalMart), dinner at Fabious's Bar-b-que, and paying off your cellular phone bill.

May 8, 2008 at 03:05 PM : tmec, It has...

tmec,

It has EVERYTHING to do with it..

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

Everyone accused of a criminal act in this country is entitled to a trial by an impartial jury. They are entitled to confront the sitnesses against them. They are entitled to present witnesses in their own defense. Thay are entitled to legal counsel.

It doesn't matter if they are caught with a smoking gun in their hand and a hundred video cameras catch them in the act of pulling the trigger. They are entitled to a trial by an impartial jury.

That means that once they are secured in Police custody, the legal process takes over. Cops do NOT have the option of administering punishment on the spot, regardless of the crime, regardless of the circumstances.

May 8, 2008 at 03:05 PM : Timec: Sixth...

Timec:

Sixth Amendment - Rights of Accused in Criminal Prosecutions

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

May 8, 2008 at 03:05 PM : The criminals have...

The criminals have their 6th amendment rights, of course

So do the cops..............

May 8, 2008 at 03:05 PM : The cops will have...

The cops will have Peace Officer Bill of Rights and will be subject to Lybarger, etc. but they have their rights too.

Lets just remember that the court of public opinion is one thing, Dept pronouncements another, and the 6th Amendment and court of law still another.

Let the facts (other than Timec's and PR pronouncements by the Dept) all come forth...........