http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/ChicoEsquela/32506 I hope as many people as possible watch this: http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/ &nbsp; I hope as many people as possible watch this: http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/ &nbsp; en-us Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:09:49 PDT <p>Once again, our proud veterans speak up with the real truth......... truth to power........ in spades!</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/ChicoEsquela/32506/#c_299023 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/ChicoEsquela/32506/#c_299023 <p>Once again, our proud veterans speak up with the real truth......... truth to power........ in spades!</p> <p>It's too bad to see our soldiers being dragged into this and being fed bad information just as they were when they were serving this President.&nbsp; One of the kids in the ad says he saw Al-Queda decimated.&nbsp; Since Al-Queda isn't in Iraq (Al-Queda in Iraq is, but they are a different group that isn't related) in any serious numbers, you have to wonder why he'd say that.</p> <p>Whoever is funding this group obviously doesn't have any respect for the facts or even General Petraeus who would never claim the things this group is pretending to believe.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/ChicoEsquela/32506/#c_299042 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/ChicoEsquela/32506/#c_299042 <p>It's too bad to see our soldiers being dragged into this and being fed bad information just as they were when they were serving this President.&nbsp; One of the kids in the ad says he saw Al-Queda decimated.&nbsp; Since Al-Queda isn't in Iraq (Al-Queda in Iraq is, but they are a different group that isn't related) in any serious numbers, you have to wonder why he'd say that.</p> <p>Whoever is funding this group obviously doesn't have any respect for the facts or even General Petraeus who would never claim the things this group is pretending to believe.</p> <p>I'm sure you are an expert on Al Queda (and its various viral replications and mutations) Tom.</p> <p>You can read all day about something (especially with a natural proclivity toward those of similar bent) but I'd rather listen to those that have actually been there..............</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/ChicoEsquela/32506/#c_299045 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/ChicoEsquela/32506/#c_299045 <p>I'm sure you are an expert on Al Queda (and its various viral replications and mutations) Tom.</p> <p>You can read all day about something (especially with a natural proclivity toward those of similar bent) but I'd rather listen to those that have actually been there..............</p> <p>I love them guys.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/ChicoEsquela/32506/#c_299049 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/ChicoEsquela/32506/#c_299049 <p>I love them guys.</p> <p>If Congress declared the surge worked, what  would it accomplish? Would it provide veterans with better physical and mental health care? Would it expand the GI Bill?  No, it's solely a PR campaign that does not provide the troops with any benefits.</p> <p>The decline in violence had very little to do with the surge. It was Iraqi militia groups who took action into their own hands. I think they teamed up against Sunni extremists and arranged a truce with another militia.</p> <p> </p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/ChicoEsquela/32506/#c_299060 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/ChicoEsquela/32506/#c_299060 <p>If Congress declared the surge worked, what  would it accomplish? Would it provide veterans with better physical and mental health care? Would it expand the GI Bill?  No, it's solely a PR campaign that does not provide the troops with any benefits.</p> <p>The decline in violence had very little to do with the surge. It was Iraqi militia groups who took action into their own hands. I think they teamed up against Sunni extremists and arranged a truce with another militia.</p> <p> </p> <p><a href="http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d85_1204009481">http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d85_1204009481</a></p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/ChicoEsquela/32506/#c_299066 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/ChicoEsquela/32506/#c_299066 <p><a href="http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d85_1204009481">http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d85_1204009481</a></p> <p></p> <p><u><strong>The decline in violence had very little to do with the surge.</strong></u></p> <p><span style="font-size: x-small"><span style="color: #0000ff"><strong><font size="1">Forget the Surge -- Violence Is Down in Iraq Because Ethnic Cleansing Was Brutally Effective</font></strong></span></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: x-small"><span style="color: #0000ff"><strong><font size="1"><a href="http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/93081/forget_the_surge_--_violence_is_down_in_iraq_because_ethnic_cleansing_was_brutally_effective/">http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/93081/forget_the_surge_--_violence_is_down_in_iraq_because_ethnic_cleansing_was_brutally_effective/</a></font></strong></span></span></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/ChicoEsquela/32506/#c_299069 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/ChicoEsquela/32506/#c_299069 <p></p> <p><u><strong>The decline in violence had very little to do with the surge.</strong></u></p> <p><span style="font-size: x-small"><span style="color: #0000ff"><strong><font size="1">Forget the Surge -- Violence Is Down in Iraq Because Ethnic Cleansing Was Brutally Effective</font></strong></span></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: x-small"><span style="color: #0000ff"><strong><font size="1"><a href="http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/93081/forget_the_surge_--_violence_is_down_in_iraq_because_ethnic_cleansing_was_brutally_effective/">http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/93081/forget_the_surge_--_violence_is_down_in_iraq_because_ethnic_cleansing_was_brutally_effective/</a></font></strong></span></span></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>There are opposing Veteran group takes on Iraq.....<a href="http://www.vaiw.org/vet/index.php">http://www.vaiw.org/vet/index.php</a></p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/ChicoEsquela/32506/#c_299072 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/ChicoEsquela/32506/#c_299072 <p>There are opposing Veteran group takes on Iraq.....<a href="http://www.vaiw.org/vet/index.php">http://www.vaiw.org/vet/index.php</a></p> <p>Another rant about another useful idiot.</p> <p>&nbsp;<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miXAZj-tcGI">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miXAZj-tcGI</a></p> <p>I hope we never have to fight another big war.</p> <p>Between Ried and some of those on here, they'll roll through us like scat through a goose.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/ChicoEsquela/32506/#c_299078 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/ChicoEsquela/32506/#c_299078 <p>Another rant about another useful idiot.</p> <p>&nbsp;<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miXAZj-tcGI">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miXAZj-tcGI</a></p> <p>I hope we never have to fight another big war.</p> <p>Between Ried and some of those on here, they'll roll through us like scat through a goose.</p> <p><em><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; ">Once again, our proud veterans speak up with the real truth......... truth to power........ in spades!</span></em></p> <p>Thanks Chico but this is just election year nitpicking and everyone knows it. &nbsp;I get so sick of people using video to make a point or to somehow express their point of view. What's the problem with speaking for yourself?</p> <p>99.9999% of the video it isn't captioned so I'm finding more and more and more &quot;blogs&quot; where a link to a video is posted and, hey, that's that's it! &nbsp;&nbsp;</p> <p>It's like, &quot;Hey watch this video and hey, take that and hey, what they said on the video is what I believe.&quot;</p> <p>It's gotten to where nobody really has an argument. They just have a video.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/ChicoEsquela/32506/#c_299088 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/ChicoEsquela/32506/#c_299088 <p><em><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; ">Once again, our proud veterans speak up with the real truth......... truth to power........ in spades!</span></em></p> <p>Thanks Chico but this is just election year nitpicking and everyone knows it. &nbsp;I get so sick of people using video to make a point or to somehow express their point of view. What's the problem with speaking for yourself?</p> <p>99.9999% of the video it isn't captioned so I'm finding more and more and more &quot;blogs&quot; where a link to a video is posted and, hey, that's that's it! &nbsp;&nbsp;</p> <p>It's like, &quot;Hey watch this video and hey, take that and hey, what they said on the video is what I believe.&quot;</p> <p>It's gotten to where nobody really has an argument. They just have a video.</p> <p>Or HM, they just post links to argue their points.... like you do frequently.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/ChicoEsquela/32506/#c_299102 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/ChicoEsquela/32506/#c_299102 <p>Or HM, they just post links to argue their points.... like you do frequently.</p> <p>HM visuals are worth thousands of words. Visual commercials are more powerful than written ads.</p> <br /> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/ChicoEsquela/32506/#c_299159 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/ChicoEsquela/32506/#c_299159 <p>HM visuals are worth thousands of words. Visual commercials are more powerful than written ads.</p> <br /> <p>Lets dont forget HM is deaf..so uncaptioned videos are very frustrating for him to even consider&nbsp;absorbing ... no matter how informative it may be....therefore he despises them and regards them a useless tool.</p> <p>While those of us that feel they can convey a more substantial point to the discussion by going to the trouble to locate and share one, I&nbsp;certainly feel its a higher tech&nbsp;approach..&nbsp;</p> <p>HM prefers&nbsp;to write a book in his responses&nbsp;beyond &nbsp;the point of boring an individual that stumbles across one of his verbal vomiting sessions&nbsp;</p> <p>Enjoyed the VID Chico..keep em coming</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/ChicoEsquela/32506/#c_299256 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/ChicoEsquela/32506/#c_299256 <p>Lets dont forget HM is deaf..so uncaptioned videos are very frustrating for him to even consider&nbsp;absorbing ... no matter how informative it may be....therefore he despises them and regards them a useless tool.</p> <p>While those of us that feel they can convey a more substantial point to the discussion by going to the trouble to locate and share one, I&nbsp;certainly feel its a higher tech&nbsp;approach..&nbsp;</p> <p>HM prefers&nbsp;to write a book in his responses&nbsp;beyond &nbsp;the point of boring an individual that stumbles across one of his verbal vomiting sessions&nbsp;</p> <p>Enjoyed the VID Chico..keep em coming</p> <p>sioux, Although some may disagree with HusbandMaterial, not wife, mind you, there is a point to what he is saying: Videos without a deaf component leave a part of the population out of the loop.</p> <p>I am not sure how to resolve this. Should we ban any video that doesn't have deaf interpretaters as part of the presentation?</p> <p>Actually, I&nbsp;am on the side of deaf people here. I want them to be included in our debates. I think we need to call for an upgrade to include this.</p> <p>This could be a difficult proposition to implement, but why not try?</p> <p>I like it and hope the Californian Techies can find a way.</p> <p>Good luck!</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/ChicoEsquela/32506/#c_299270 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/ChicoEsquela/32506/#c_299270 <p>sioux, Although some may disagree with HusbandMaterial, not wife, mind you, there is a point to what he is saying: Videos without a deaf component leave a part of the population out of the loop.</p> <p>I am not sure how to resolve this. Should we ban any video that doesn't have deaf interpretaters as part of the presentation?</p> <p>Actually, I&nbsp;am on the side of deaf people here. I want them to be included in our debates. I think we need to call for an upgrade to include this.</p> <p>This could be a difficult proposition to implement, but why not try?</p> <p>I like it and hope the Californian Techies can find a way.</p> <p>Good luck!</p> <p>Well, unlike Bidenpluggs, HM doesn't just talk because he likes the sound of his voice, I guess.</p> <p>But HM, if you think for a minute that I think that or any other vid clip is the be all and end all of any issue then you are more than just deaf............</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/ChicoEsquela/32506/#c_299280 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/ChicoEsquela/32506/#c_299280 <p>Well, unlike Bidenpluggs, HM doesn't just talk because he likes the sound of his voice, I guess.</p> <p>But HM, if you think for a minute that I think that or any other vid clip is the be all and end all of any issue then you are more than just deaf............</p> <p>KAtak..they dont pay them enough to convert all the videos out there&nbsp; to captioned..thats an impossible task..you cant ban a video&nbsp;simply because&nbsp;its&nbsp;uncaptioned..the internet isnt that advanced yet..I&nbsp;doubt either I&nbsp;nor HM will even be alive&nbsp;when that glorious day comes..</p> <p>IF&nbsp;I&nbsp;see something written in Japanese I&nbsp;will move on to the next page..its as simple as that..</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/ChicoEsquela/32506/#c_299281 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/ChicoEsquela/32506/#c_299281 <p>KAtak..they dont pay them enough to convert all the videos out there&nbsp; to captioned..thats an impossible task..you cant ban a video&nbsp;simply because&nbsp;its&nbsp;uncaptioned..the internet isnt that advanced yet..I&nbsp;doubt either I&nbsp;nor HM will even be alive&nbsp;when that glorious day comes..</p> <p>IF&nbsp;I&nbsp;see something written in Japanese I&nbsp;will move on to the next page..its as simple as that..</p> <p>HusbandMaterial, As I&nbsp;read here, and my personal emails indicate, there is a majority that has a different view than yours. It is one thing to be in a fringe group, but it is entirely another to attempt making a fringe view majoritarian, by fiat of law.</p> <p>Even so, you have a good thing if you support deaf technologies since it is an easy leap to say, and say well, that people want everyone to be heard, deaf included.</p> <p>Other than this, some arguments fail since their end is fatal, as random argues.</p> <p>Sorry, it doesn't get any better than this. But, do you understand why?</p> <p>Likely, you don't, but Chico does.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/ChicoEsquela/32506/#c_299302 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/ChicoEsquela/32506/#c_299302 <p>HusbandMaterial, As I&nbsp;read here, and my personal emails indicate, there is a majority that has a different view than yours. It is one thing to be in a fringe group, but it is entirely another to attempt making a fringe view majoritarian, by fiat of law.</p> <p>Even so, you have a good thing if you support deaf technologies since it is an easy leap to say, and say well, that people want everyone to be heard, deaf included.</p> <p>Other than this, some arguments fail since their end is fatal, as random argues.</p> <p>Sorry, it doesn't get any better than this. But, do you understand why?</p> <p>Likely, you don't, but Chico does.</p> <p><span style="font-size: medium;">On simple principle if kat/sam/whatever is for it ~i suspect it's sincerity.</span></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/ChicoEsquela/32506/#c_299305 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/ChicoEsquela/32506/#c_299305 <p><span style="font-size: medium;">On simple principle if kat/sam/whatever is for it ~i suspect it's sincerity.</span></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Sincerity, unlike people who email themselves.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/ChicoEsquela/32506/#c_299318 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/ChicoEsquela/32506/#c_299318 <p>Sincerity, unlike people who email themselves.</p> <p>HM -- I can sympathize with being deaf&nbsp; BTW......... Years of shooting without proper protection, etc. have left me where I turn TV up so loud my wife bought her own remote to turn it down, especially when it gets to a channel that is louder than&nbsp; others (why does cable do that?)</p> <p>Wife gets pissed as I'm all the time going&nbsp; &quot;what?&quot;</p> <p>Funny though....... I can hear whining clear under foreman's hooch (50 yards away) when his ol cow dog has a new set a pups..... probably cause it then means I'm gonna have to be on his butt for weeks to give them away...........</p> <p>I can hear a lost calf on the other side of a hill too......... grab ATV and go put him back on right side of the fence (wish you could do that with Dems -- LOL!)</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/ChicoEsquela/32506/#c_299567 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/ChicoEsquela/32506/#c_299567 <p>HM -- I can sympathize with being deaf&nbsp; BTW......... Years of shooting without proper protection, etc. have left me where I turn TV up so loud my wife bought her own remote to turn it down, especially when it gets to a channel that is louder than&nbsp; others (why does cable do that?)</p> <p>Wife gets pissed as I'm all the time going&nbsp; &quot;what?&quot;</p> <p>Funny though....... I can hear whining clear under foreman's hooch (50 yards away) when his ol cow dog has a new set a pups..... probably cause it then means I'm gonna have to be on his butt for weeks to give them away...........</p> <p>I can hear a lost calf on the other side of a hill too......... grab ATV and go put him back on right side of the fence (wish you could do that with Dems -- LOL!)</p>