http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/TomW/11582 In the ongoing drama surrounding the leaking of Valerie Plame's identity, there may be yet another wrinkle.&nbsp; It turns out that the Judge in the case has now made it clear that the law prevents Scooter from serving his &quot;supervised release&quot; until he has served prison time.The document came out last night, and reads as though the judge is fairly testy.&nbsp; Judges don't like being overruled, no matter by whom, especially when they have done everything right.It is true that Bush may commute Scooter's whole sentence, and in fact, he may be forced to.&nbsp; The latest analysis of the judge's order and the latitude that he has with &quot;supervised release&quot; will probably compel Bush to expand his amnesty order.At any rate, it'll keep this issue churning for another week or two.Judge's new court order: http://sentencing.typepad.com/sentencing_law_and_policy/files/libby_3583.pdfTalkLeft has some interesting ideas about &quot;Supervised Release&quot; including the idea that the Judge may stipulate certain conditions, including weekend and evening stays in prison:http://www.talkleft.com/story/2007/7/4/14187/26315 In the ongoing drama surrounding the leaking of Valerie Plame's identity, there may be yet another wrinkle.&nbsp; It turns out that the Judge in the case has now made it clear that the law prevents Scooter from serving his &quot;supervised release&quot; until he has served prison time.The document came out last night, and reads as though the judge is fairly testy.&nbsp; Judges don't like being overruled, no matter by whom, especially when they have done everything right.It is true that Bush may commute Scooter's whole sentence, and in fact, he may be forced to.&nbsp; The latest analysis of the judge's order and the latitude that he has with &quot;supervised release&quot; will probably compel Bush to expand his amnesty order.At any rate, it'll keep this issue churning for another week or two.Judge's new court order: http://sentencing.typepad.com/sentencing_law_and_policy/files/libby_3583.pdfTalkLeft has some interesting ideas about &quot;Supervised Release&quot; including the idea that the Judge may stipulate certain conditions, including weekend and evening stays in prison:http://www.talkleft.com/story/2007/7/4/14187/26315 en-us The judge had a lovely little bit at the end of his order:<br /> <br /> If either party believes that it would be helpful to solicit clarification from the White House regarding the President's position on the proper interpretation of Sec 3583 in light of its Grant of Executive Clemency, they are encouraged to do so. http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/TomW/11582/#c_112768 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/TomW/11582/#c_112768 The judge had a lovely little bit at the end of his order:<br /> <br /> If either party believes that it would be helpful to solicit clarification from the White House regarding the President's position on the proper interpretation of Sec 3583 in light of its Grant of Executive Clemency, they are encouraged to do so. <p>Full pardon in the works...</p> <p>The executive branch is tired of phu*ing around with the politics exhibited by the District Court in DC (77% of the residents of the District are&nbsp;Democrats.&nbsp; Ya, good luck to you in a jury trial in that District if you are Republican).</p> <p>Here is my prediction of the response from the Executive Branch.&nbsp; Let him start with his supervised release, as is done with any person who is released from jail.&nbsp; Any further screwing around, and you can forget the whole damn thing cause a full pardon will be rammed up your arse.</p> <p>Sincerely,</p> <p>Executive Branch of the US Goverment.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Damn, it sucks to be on the wrong side of the constitution....</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/TomW/11582/#c_112771 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/TomW/11582/#c_112771 <p>Full pardon in the works...</p> <p>The executive branch is tired of phu*ing around with the politics exhibited by the District Court in DC (77% of the residents of the District are&nbsp;Democrats.&nbsp; Ya, good luck to you in a jury trial in that District if you are Republican).</p> <p>Here is my prediction of the response from the Executive Branch.&nbsp; Let him start with his supervised release, as is done with any person who is released from jail.&nbsp; Any further screwing around, and you can forget the whole damn thing cause a full pardon will be rammed up your arse.</p> <p>Sincerely,</p> <p>Executive Branch of the US Goverment.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Damn, it sucks to be on the wrong side of the constitution....</p> They aren't going to pardon him, RonM.&nbsp; He'd lose his 5th amendment rights and then things might get too interesting.<br /> <br /> BTW, no one is saying he doesn't have the right to pardon Scooter or commute his sentence.&nbsp; That isn't the argument.&nbsp; The argument is that it shows evidence of conspiracy, and is enough to launch a Congressional investigation.<br /> <br /> I'm going to save your quote though.&nbsp; I hope to be reminding you of it soon enough.&nbsp; :) http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/TomW/11582/#c_112773 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/TomW/11582/#c_112773 They aren't going to pardon him, RonM.&nbsp; He'd lose his 5th amendment rights and then things might get too interesting.<br /> <br /> BTW, no one is saying he doesn't have the right to pardon Scooter or commute his sentence.&nbsp; That isn't the argument.&nbsp; The argument is that it shows evidence of conspiracy, and is enough to launch a Congressional investigation.<br /> <br /> I'm going to save your quote though.&nbsp; I hope to be reminding you of it soon enough.&nbsp; :) <strong>Ronm</strong>: &quot;The executive branch is tired of phu*ing around with the politics exhibited by the District Court in DC (77% of the residents of the District are&nbsp;Democrats.&nbsp; Ya, good luck to you in a jury trial in that District if you are Republican).&quot;<br /> <br /> Except that the trial judge was appointed by Dubbya, and two of the three judges on the appeals panel were Republicans.<br /> <br /> <strong>FAIL</strong> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/TomW/11582/#c_112782 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/TomW/11582/#c_112782 <strong>Ronm</strong>: &quot;The executive branch is tired of phu*ing around with the politics exhibited by the District Court in DC (77% of the residents of the District are&nbsp;Democrats.&nbsp; Ya, good luck to you in a jury trial in that District if you are Republican).&quot;<br /> <br /> Except that the trial judge was appointed by Dubbya, and two of the three judges on the appeals panel were Republicans.<br /> <br /> <strong>FAIL</strong> <p> </p> <p>The argument is that it shows evidence of conspiracy, and is enough to launch a Congressional investigation.<br /> </p> <p>Evidence of what conspiracy??? Armitage leaked Plames name.  Are you saying that there was a conspiracy for Armitage to leak Plames name?? LOL... Nice try.  You fail again..</p> <p>Wilson should have been discredited.  All the other intelligence agencys around the world thought his assertions were bullshidt...</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/TomW/11582/#c_112783 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/TomW/11582/#c_112783 <p> </p> <p>The argument is that it shows evidence of conspiracy, and is enough to launch a Congressional investigation.<br /> </p> <p>Evidence of what conspiracy??? Armitage leaked Plames name.  Are you saying that there was a conspiracy for Armitage to leak Plames name?? LOL... Nice try.  You fail again..</p> <p>Wilson should have been discredited.  All the other intelligence agencys around the world thought his assertions were bullshidt...</p> <p>Looks like Al Gores son could use a Pardon. LOL.</p> <p>NOT...</p> <p>He can reduce his carbon footprint in jail, baby!!!! Jail....</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/TomW/11582/#c_112785 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/TomW/11582/#c_112785 <p>Looks like Al Gores son could use a Pardon. LOL.</p> <p>NOT...</p> <p>He can reduce his carbon footprint in jail, baby!!!! Jail....</p> <font color="#ff0000" size="2">Ya, good luck to you in a jury trial in that District if you are Republican). <font color="#000000">Good to see while you wave around our constitution, you believe in our system of justice~everyone in jail in this county must be a democrat by that logic.Why you bring Al Gores son into this(where is his trial going to be that you know he will go to jail by the by),coupled with your joy at his troubles is illuminating~ you.Not a pretty picture.Nice Guy~bad argument..oh wait no argument at all.</font></font> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/TomW/11582/#c_112787 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/TomW/11582/#c_112787 <font color="#ff0000" size="2">Ya, good luck to you in a jury trial in that District if you are Republican). <font color="#000000">Good to see while you wave around our constitution, you believe in our system of justice~everyone in jail in this county must be a democrat by that logic.Why you bring Al Gores son into this(where is his trial going to be that you know he will go to jail by the by),coupled with your joy at his troubles is illuminating~ you.Not a pretty picture.Nice Guy~bad argument..oh wait no argument at all.</font></font> Wilson should have been discredited?  He was proven right.<br /> <br /> As for a conspiracy, you bet.  Where did Armitage get the info?  How did Libby get it?  There's going to be a hearing next week in Congress.  This ain't over by a long shot. http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/TomW/11582/#c_112789 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/TomW/11582/#c_112789 Wilson should have been discredited?  He was proven right.<br /> <br /> As for a conspiracy, you bet.  Where did Armitage get the info?  How did Libby get it?  There's going to be a hearing next week in Congress.  This ain't over by a long shot. Ronm: &quot;All the other intelligence agencys around the world thought his assertions were bullshidt...&quot;<br /> <br /> Is that why every other intelligence agency <u>knew</u> that the yellowcake memo was bs? And why the White House Office of Special Projects changed the words in the State of the Union speech for political cover for this lie? And why they outted Plame?<br /> <br /> Or could it be that you're wrong AGAIN? Your trolling skills are seriously off today. http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/TomW/11582/#c_112801 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/TomW/11582/#c_112801 Ronm: &quot;All the other intelligence agencys around the world thought his assertions were bullshidt...&quot;<br /> <br /> Is that why every other intelligence agency <u>knew</u> that the yellowcake memo was bs? And why the White House Office of Special Projects changed the words in the State of the Union speech for political cover for this lie? And why they outted Plame?<br /> <br /> Or could it be that you're wrong AGAIN? Your trolling skills are seriously off today. <p>Why do both the British and French intelligence communities still assert Iraq attempted to obtain nuclear material from Niger??</p> <p>The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence...</p> <p>The CPD reports officer told Committee staff that the former ambassador's wife "offered up his name" and a memorandum to the Deputy Chief of the CPD on February 12, 2002, from the former ambassador's wife says, "my husband has good relations with both the PM [prime minister] and the former Minister of Mines (not to mention lots of French contacts), both of whom could possibly shed light on this sort of activity." This was just one day before CPD sent a cable <span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #000000"><font color="#ffffff">DELETED</font></span> requesting concurrence with CPD's idea to send the former ambassador to Niger and requesting any additional information from the foreign government <a class="iAs" style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 100%; PADDING-BOTTOM: 1px; COLOR: darkgreen; BORDER-BOTTOM: darkgreen 0.07em solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/library/congress/2004_rpt/iraq-wmd-intell_chapter2-b.htm#" target="_blank" itxtdid="4167179"><font color="#006400">service</font></a> on their uranium reports. The former ambassador's wife told Committee staff that when CPD decided it would like to send the former ambassador to Niger, she approached her husband on behalf of the CIA and told him "there's this crazy report" on a purported deal for Niger to sell uranium to Iraq. </p> <p>Wow, talk about making up your mind before you even send someone to investigate a claim.  Nice work by that crack CIA unit....Why bother sending anyone to investigate if you have already made up your mind it is "crazy"????? </p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/TomW/11582/#c_112832 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/TomW/11582/#c_112832 <p>Why do both the British and French intelligence communities still assert Iraq attempted to obtain nuclear material from Niger??</p> <p>The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence...</p> <p>The CPD reports officer told Committee staff that the former ambassador's wife "offered up his name" and a memorandum to the Deputy Chief of the CPD on February 12, 2002, from the former ambassador's wife says, "my husband has good relations with both the PM [prime minister] and the former Minister of Mines (not to mention lots of French contacts), both of whom could possibly shed light on this sort of activity." This was just one day before CPD sent a cable <span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #000000"><font color="#ffffff">DELETED</font></span> requesting concurrence with CPD's idea to send the former ambassador to Niger and requesting any additional information from the foreign government <a class="iAs" style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 100%; PADDING-BOTTOM: 1px; COLOR: darkgreen; BORDER-BOTTOM: darkgreen 0.07em solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/library/congress/2004_rpt/iraq-wmd-intell_chapter2-b.htm#" target="_blank" itxtdid="4167179"><font color="#006400">service</font></a> on their uranium reports. The former ambassador's wife told Committee staff that when CPD decided it would like to send the former ambassador to Niger, she approached her husband on behalf of the CIA and told him "there's this crazy report" on a purported deal for Niger to sell uranium to Iraq. </p> <p>Wow, talk about making up your mind before you even send someone to investigate a claim.  Nice work by that crack CIA unit....Why bother sending anyone to investigate if you have already made up your mind it is "crazy"????? </p> <p>They don't, Ronm.&nbsp; The information was based on forged documents.&nbsp; You know that.</p> <p>.</p> <p>As to why send people to confirm the disproof of&nbsp;something that's crazy?&nbsp; Well, if the vice-president wants it, and you can achieve it cheaply...</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/TomW/11582/#c_112834 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/TomW/11582/#c_112834 <p>They don't, Ronm.&nbsp; The information was based on forged documents.&nbsp; You know that.</p> <p>.</p> <p>As to why send people to confirm the disproof of&nbsp;something that's crazy?&nbsp; Well, if the vice-president wants it, and you can achieve it cheaply...</p> I for one am glad for the amnesty order.&nbsp; This is going to keep this story alive through the next few weeks and open the door for Conyers and Waxman to start their real investigations. http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/TomW/11582/#c_112850 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/TomW/11582/#c_112850 I for one am glad for the amnesty order.&nbsp; This is going to keep this story alive through the next few weeks and open the door for Conyers and Waxman to start their real investigations. Shocking poll numbers:<br /> <font color="#000080">http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/07/06/poll-majority-disapprove-of-the-libby-commutation/<br /> </font> <p align="left"><font color="#000080">Fully 64 percent of all Americans and 69 percent of voters said they disapproved of the <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/07/02/libby.sentence/index.html?iref=newssearch">commutation</a> in the new poll. Broken down by party affiliation, 76 percent of Democrats, 47 percent of Republicans, and <strong>80 percent of Independents</strong> said they disapproved.</font></p> <p><font color="#000080">Meanwhile, 84 percent of all adults and 84 percent of voters said they oppose a full presidential pardon for Libby. Broken down by party, 82 percent of Democrats, 70 percent of Republicans, and <strong>97 percent of Independents</strong> oppose a pardon.</font></p> Part of this I think is that a lot of new independents are people who left the Republican party over just these kinds of things.&nbsp; What's also amazing is that 16% of the population who just will not crack. http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/TomW/11582/#c_113400 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/TomW/11582/#c_113400 Shocking poll numbers:<br /> <font color="#000080">http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/07/06/poll-majority-disapprove-of-the-libby-commutation/<br /> </font> <p align="left"><font color="#000080">Fully 64 percent of all Americans and 69 percent of voters said they disapproved of the <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/07/02/libby.sentence/index.html?iref=newssearch">commutation</a> in the new poll. Broken down by party affiliation, 76 percent of Democrats, 47 percent of Republicans, and <strong>80 percent of Independents</strong> said they disapproved.</font></p> <p><font color="#000080">Meanwhile, 84 percent of all adults and 84 percent of voters said they oppose a full presidential pardon for Libby. Broken down by party, 82 percent of Democrats, 70 percent of Republicans, and <strong>97 percent of Independents</strong> oppose a pardon.</font></p> Part of this I think is that a lot of new independents are people who left the Republican party over just these kinds of things.&nbsp; What's also amazing is that 16% of the population who just will not crack. <a href="http://electioncentral.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2007/jul/06/poll_americans_evenly_divided_on_impeachment_of_bush_majority_for_targeting_cheney">In other (related) news</a>, people are evenly split on impeachment proceedings against Bush, while a majority support impeachment against Cheney. Independent voters are actually more supportive of impeachment than the average in the polls. http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/TomW/11582/#c_113403 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/TomW/11582/#c_113403 <a href="http://electioncentral.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2007/jul/06/poll_americans_evenly_divided_on_impeachment_of_bush_majority_for_targeting_cheney">In other (related) news</a>, people are evenly split on impeachment proceedings against Bush, while a majority support impeachment against Cheney. Independent voters are actually more supportive of impeachment than the average in the polls. it was&nbsp;business as usual, if your wealthy or well contected then you are above the law..unless your Martha Steward, who was just an uppity business woman. http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/TomW/11582/#c_113404 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/TomW/11582/#c_113404 it was&nbsp;business as usual, if your wealthy or well contected then you are above the law..unless your Martha Steward, who was just an uppity business woman. ronmexico, have you ever seen the copies of the forged documents. They actually did a pretty lousy job. I could do better if I wanted.<br /> <br /> Just tell me you aren't going to trot out the old &quot;she wasn't undercover&quot; lie again. http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/TomW/11582/#c_113408 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/TomW/11582/#c_113408 ronmexico, have you ever seen the copies of the forged documents. They actually did a pretty lousy job. I could do better if I wanted.<br /> <br /> Just tell me you aren't going to trot out the old &quot;she wasn't undercover&quot; lie again. <p>Tom wrote, <font color="#0000ff">"What's also amazing is that 16% of the population who just will not crack."</font></p> <p>Close enough.  My informed estimates, based on considering together the aggregate results of numerous polls, place the American Fascist movement at about 13%.</p> <p>In other words, it is impossible for Bush's approval rating to fall below 13% (or 16%).</p> <p> </p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/TomW/11582/#c_113409 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/TomW/11582/#c_113409 <p>Tom wrote, <font color="#0000ff">"What's also amazing is that 16% of the population who just will not crack."</font></p> <p>Close enough.  My informed estimates, based on considering together the aggregate results of numerous polls, place the American Fascist movement at about 13%.</p> <p>In other words, it is impossible for Bush's approval rating to fall below 13% (or 16%).</p> <p> </p> So at what % do the Dems grow a set, Hardliner? http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/TomW/11582/#c_113412 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/TomW/11582/#c_113412 So at what % do the Dems grow a set, Hardliner? Well, H4F, I figure you can get 10% of people to sign on to anything.&nbsp; I think you're right that it's lower than 16%. http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/TomW/11582/#c_113415 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/TomW/11582/#c_113415 Well, H4F, I figure you can get 10% of people to sign on to anything.&nbsp; I think you're right that it's lower than 16%. Mattloch, over 70% support a timetable, and that hasn't done the job.&nbsp; I'm going to say it has to be around 85-90%. http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/TomW/11582/#c_113417 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/TomW/11582/#c_113417 Mattloch, over 70% support a timetable, and that hasn't done the job.&nbsp; I'm going to say it has to be around 85-90%. The percentage needed for Democratic testicles to descend seems to be tending asymptotically toward 0, Mattloch. http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/TomW/11582/#c_113423 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/TomW/11582/#c_113423 The percentage needed for Democratic testicles to descend seems to be tending asymptotically toward 0, Mattloch.