http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/schooled/9374 The California State University Board of Trustees is scheduled to vote on a new contract for faculty Wednesday. Here are the terms, in case you ever wondered what CSU professors make: &quot;The four-year agreement covers budget years 2006/07 through 2010/11 and will cost the CSU more than $400 million. &nbsp; Under the new contract, projected average salaries for full professors will be $105,531; for tenure track faculty (all ranks combined) will be $90,593; and for part-time lecturers will be $53,677.&quot; The California State University Board of Trustees is scheduled to vote on a new contract for faculty Wednesday. Here are the terms, in case you ever wondered what CSU professors make: &quot;The four-year agreement covers budget years 2006/07 through 2010/11 and will cost the CSU more than $400 million. &nbsp; Under the new contract, projected average salaries for full professors will be $105,531; for tenure track faculty (all ranks combined) will be $90,593; and for part-time lecturers will be $53,677.&quot; en-us Tue, 15 May 2007 17:27:08 PDT <p><strong>average salaries for full professors will be $105,531</strong></p> <p>I think it's important to remember that the salaries of CSUBakersfield tenured, full faculty do not approach that.&nbsp; If they did, we wouldn't be trying to move.&nbsp; My husband is a business prof (the market says he should be making over six figures for base salary)... he's NOT EVEN CLOSE.&nbsp; At&nbsp;market rate, my husband should be on the high end of the numbers that make that&nbsp;average, yet... he's far below that average.&nbsp; The averages you posted included areas like L.A., San Francisco, and San DIego... just sayin'.&nbsp; </p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/schooled/9374/#c_91333 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/schooled/9374/#c_91333 <p><strong>average salaries for full professors will be $105,531</strong></p> <p>I think it's important to remember that the salaries of CSUBakersfield tenured, full faculty do not approach that.&nbsp; If they did, we wouldn't be trying to move.&nbsp; My husband is a business prof (the market says he should be making over six figures for base salary)... he's NOT EVEN CLOSE.&nbsp; At&nbsp;market rate, my husband should be on the high end of the numbers that make that&nbsp;average, yet... he's far below that average.&nbsp; The averages you posted included areas like L.A., San Francisco, and San DIego... just sayin'.&nbsp; </p> <p>As a part-time lecturer at CSUB I can say that I do NOT make $53,677 or will under the new contract. Please review your facts and put them in perspective. </p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/schooled/9374/#c_91364 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/schooled/9374/#c_91364 <p>As a part-time lecturer at CSUB I can say that I do NOT make $53,677 or will under the new contract. Please review your facts and put them in perspective. </p> THen put it in perspective for us. How much do you make per lecture?? http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/schooled/9374/#c_91370 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/schooled/9374/#c_91370 THen put it in perspective for us. How much do you make per lecture?? i have to agree that these numbers are really very misleading.  they are really very inflated, due to how much people at the top make.  assistant professors (who are on the "tenure track") don't make anywhere close to the "average" for tenure track professors either.  i am an assistant professor, on the tenure track, and i make in the low $50s. http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/schooled/9374/#c_91391 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/schooled/9374/#c_91391 i have to agree that these numbers are really very misleading.  they are really very inflated, due to how much people at the top make.  assistant professors (who are on the "tenure track") don't make anywhere close to the "average" for tenure track professors either.  i am an assistant professor, on the tenure track, and i make in the low $50s. How about an exclusive detailed payroll of the employees[with names and dept.]&nbsp;at CSUB compiled by the vigilante staff at the Californian.&nbsp; I think they either did this or wanted to do this for the Kern Co. Fire Dept. and others so maybe this would be enlightening to all of us hardworking taxpayers. No BS just the real facts, no dodging behind overtime or lecture fees just the bottom line, W-2 style.&nbsp; I would love to see that.&nbsp; They are probably worth every penny but &quot;we&quot; have the right to know. http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/schooled/9374/#c_91399 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/schooled/9374/#c_91399 How about an exclusive detailed payroll of the employees[with names and dept.]&nbsp;at CSUB compiled by the vigilante staff at the Californian.&nbsp; I think they either did this or wanted to do this for the Kern Co. Fire Dept. and others so maybe this would be enlightening to all of us hardworking taxpayers. No BS just the real facts, no dodging behind overtime or lecture fees just the bottom line, W-2 style.&nbsp; I would love to see that.&nbsp; They are probably worth every penny but &quot;we&quot; have the right to know. <p>I hate to criticize anyone without knowing their methodology...but, this really is misleading data.&nbsp;&nbsp; And, what's really silly is that the employee salaries are, I believe, part of the public record.&nbsp; That's why, while I don't normally share my husbands income, it wouldn't bother me to do so for the purposes of showing how far off this data is.&nbsp;&nbsp; My husband is a tenured, associate professor and he makes roughly $79,000 under the old contract.&nbsp; He is planning on going for full, if he stays, within the next two years and I can guarantee you that there's no way that CSUB is going to offer him six figures...or even anywhere near market.</p> <p>The really sad part about this is that giving misleading information, like the original poster did, is going to make it really difficult to explain to the general public when the business school (and other professional schools at CSUB) lose their accreditation and cease to be considered serious schools within the university.&nbsp; One of the ways the AACSB (the accrediting body for business schools) judges the quality of the education is the rate at which the faculty is paid.&nbsp;&nbsp; Right now- CSUB is failing AND losing good faculty at an alarming rate.&nbsp; You can get a recent PhD or AbD in, but they leave a year later when they find a school that pays them market...thus wasting more of the school's time, money, and resources.&nbsp; </p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/schooled/9374/#c_91404 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/schooled/9374/#c_91404 <p>I hate to criticize anyone without knowing their methodology...but, this really is misleading data.&nbsp;&nbsp; And, what's really silly is that the employee salaries are, I believe, part of the public record.&nbsp; That's why, while I don't normally share my husbands income, it wouldn't bother me to do so for the purposes of showing how far off this data is.&nbsp;&nbsp; My husband is a tenured, associate professor and he makes roughly $79,000 under the old contract.&nbsp; He is planning on going for full, if he stays, within the next two years and I can guarantee you that there's no way that CSUB is going to offer him six figures...or even anywhere near market.</p> <p>The really sad part about this is that giving misleading information, like the original poster did, is going to make it really difficult to explain to the general public when the business school (and other professional schools at CSUB) lose their accreditation and cease to be considered serious schools within the university.&nbsp; One of the ways the AACSB (the accrediting body for business schools) judges the quality of the education is the rate at which the faculty is paid.&nbsp;&nbsp; Right now- CSUB is failing AND losing good faculty at an alarming rate.&nbsp; You can get a recent PhD or AbD in, but they leave a year later when they find a school that pays them market...thus wasting more of the school's time, money, and resources.&nbsp; </p> <p><strong>Ron asked:&nbsp; THen put it in perspective for us. How much do you make per lecture??</strong></p> <p>I just did an informal phone poll of four lecturers... the average, of those four, was in the very low thirties. </p> <p>ETA: Ron... they don't get paid &quot;per lecture&quot;.&nbsp; They get paid per course (as in, per 10 weeks of class meetings).&nbsp; AND, there's a student ratio (I believe) that figures into what they get paid.&nbsp; </p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/schooled/9374/#c_91405 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/schooled/9374/#c_91405 <p><strong>Ron asked:&nbsp; THen put it in perspective for us. How much do you make per lecture??</strong></p> <p>I just did an informal phone poll of four lecturers... the average, of those four, was in the very low thirties. </p> <p>ETA: Ron... they don't get paid &quot;per lecture&quot;.&nbsp; They get paid per course (as in, per 10 weeks of class meetings).&nbsp; AND, there's a student ratio (I believe) that figures into what they get paid.&nbsp; </p> <p>And how many hours a year does a professor work in a year??&nbsp; My guess that it is no where near what an 8-5 schlub works</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/schooled/9374/#c_91407 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/schooled/9374/#c_91407 <p>And how many hours a year does a professor work in a year??&nbsp; My guess that it is no where near what an 8-5 schlub works</p> Say for instance a professor teaches 2 classes a 10 week quarter.&nbsp;&nbsp; Say the class meets 3 times a week for 1.5 hours.&nbsp; Say it takes and equal amount of time to prepare for the class.&nbsp; That puts the total amount of time worked at 18 hours a week.&nbsp; Lets just say 20 hours a week.&nbsp; That is 200 hours per quarter, with 4 quarters... That is 800 hours per year.&nbsp; Not a bad gig, even at $56,000 per year.&nbsp; Most joe six packs put in over 2000 hrs per year.. http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/schooled/9374/#c_91409 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/schooled/9374/#c_91409 Say for instance a professor teaches 2 classes a 10 week quarter.&nbsp;&nbsp; Say the class meets 3 times a week for 1.5 hours.&nbsp; Say it takes and equal amount of time to prepare for the class.&nbsp; That puts the total amount of time worked at 18 hours a week.&nbsp; Lets just say 20 hours a week.&nbsp; That is 200 hours per quarter, with 4 quarters... That is 800 hours per year.&nbsp; Not a bad gig, even at $56,000 per year.&nbsp; Most joe six packs put in over 2000 hrs per year.. <p>LOL, Ron!! You soooooo have no idea.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Let's see... my husband, to be academically qualified, has to write three journal articles/published papers (in A or B tiered journals)&nbsp;every year.&nbsp;&nbsp; Rough estimate - that takes up about 800 hours a year and you don't get a guarantee that you'll be published.&nbsp; If you're not, you have to rinse, lather, and repeat.&nbsp; &nbsp; Then, he's got all of the community service that he HAS to do to keep his job (this can be anywhere from 2-6 hours a week).&nbsp; Then he's got classes to teach (15 hours a week).&nbsp; Then he's got the student committee stuff.&nbsp; Then there's department meetings.&nbsp; Chair positions.&nbsp; Student counselling and advising.&nbsp; Mandatory office hours (at least five a week).&nbsp; And, somewhere in that time, he has to make up his lectures and prepare to actually teach.&nbsp; Yeah...you're right.&nbsp; He hardly ever works.&nbsp; The teaching and service expectations equal approximately 200 hours a month, for&nbsp; ten months (they're not paid twelve months a year).&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; A good instructor will spend 2-4 hours outside of the classroom prepping for every hour in.&nbsp; My husband figures that he spends 2800 hours a year to do his job right.&nbsp; The average &quot;8-5pm shlub&quot; works about 2000 per year.&nbsp; AND, my husband gets NO vacation.&nbsp; He just doesn't get paid for two summer months.&nbsp;&nbsp; </p> <p>The plus of my husband's job is that he can do some of these things between 10pm and 3am.&nbsp; My husband has also taken on EXTRA service and administrative roles so that he can teach less and perform the tasks that no one else wants so that he can be flexible and take care of our children during my illness.&nbsp; </p> <p>So.... would you care to discuss this some more, Ron?</p> <p>Furthermore, the original poster of this blog didn't accurately report this &quot;raise&quot; and salary scale.&nbsp; Not only is it inaccurate in averages, but it also doesn't take into account that the raise will occur over 4 years.&nbsp; There's a small, retroactive portion (3%) that goes back to July 06.&nbsp; The rest is doled out through 2010 on a schedule.&nbsp; </p> <p>Also, if my husband were to go out into industry and work the &quot;8-5 schlub&quot;, he could make around $200,000&nbsp;a year.&nbsp; He has a PhD from a top tier university and is highly marketable.&nbsp; We stay here because he LOVES teaching and likes to be involved with our kids.&nbsp; It's a lifestyle choice.&nbsp; </p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/schooled/9374/#c_91417 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/schooled/9374/#c_91417 <p>LOL, Ron!! You soooooo have no idea.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Let's see... my husband, to be academically qualified, has to write three journal articles/published papers (in A or B tiered journals)&nbsp;every year.&nbsp;&nbsp; Rough estimate - that takes up about 800 hours a year and you don't get a guarantee that you'll be published.&nbsp; If you're not, you have to rinse, lather, and repeat.&nbsp; &nbsp; Then, he's got all of the community service that he HAS to do to keep his job (this can be anywhere from 2-6 hours a week).&nbsp; Then he's got classes to teach (15 hours a week).&nbsp; Then he's got the student committee stuff.&nbsp; Then there's department meetings.&nbsp; Chair positions.&nbsp; Student counselling and advising.&nbsp; Mandatory office hours (at least five a week).&nbsp; And, somewhere in that time, he has to make up his lectures and prepare to actually teach.&nbsp; Yeah...you're right.&nbsp; He hardly ever works.&nbsp; The teaching and service expectations equal approximately 200 hours a month, for&nbsp; ten months (they're not paid twelve months a year).&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; A good instructor will spend 2-4 hours outside of the classroom prepping for every hour in.&nbsp; My husband figures that he spends 2800 hours a year to do his job right.&nbsp; The average &quot;8-5pm shlub&quot; works about 2000 per year.&nbsp; AND, my husband gets NO vacation.&nbsp; He just doesn't get paid for two summer months.&nbsp;&nbsp; </p> <p>The plus of my husband's job is that he can do some of these things between 10pm and 3am.&nbsp; My husband has also taken on EXTRA service and administrative roles so that he can teach less and perform the tasks that no one else wants so that he can be flexible and take care of our children during my illness.&nbsp; </p> <p>So.... would you care to discuss this some more, Ron?</p> <p>Furthermore, the original poster of this blog didn't accurately report this &quot;raise&quot; and salary scale.&nbsp; Not only is it inaccurate in averages, but it also doesn't take into account that the raise will occur over 4 years.&nbsp; There's a small, retroactive portion (3%) that goes back to July 06.&nbsp; The rest is doled out through 2010 on a schedule.&nbsp; </p> <p>Also, if my husband were to go out into industry and work the &quot;8-5 schlub&quot;, he could make around $200,000&nbsp;a year.&nbsp; He has a PhD from a top tier university and is highly marketable.&nbsp; We stay here because he LOVES teaching and likes to be involved with our kids.&nbsp; It's a lifestyle choice.&nbsp; </p> <p>Oh yeah...forgot to add, Ron... we've also yet to have a Saturday or Sunday free from a student or colleague calling to ask questions or get clarification on some problem.&nbsp; My husband&nbsp;gives his mobile phone number out to students so that, if they can't make office hours, they can call when it's CONVENIENT FOR THEM.&nbsp; </p> <p>Also forgot to add that a good professor will attend conferences, academic or administrative, which takes even more time.&nbsp; Oh, and...if you're teaching in a professional school, don't forget that you have to stay academically current.&nbsp; Which, for my husband, meant devoting two years (FOR FREE) to a software corporation, in an academic advisory position, just so CSUB could get 2 million dollars worth of software for the students to use.&nbsp; </p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/schooled/9374/#c_91421 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/schooled/9374/#c_91421 <p>Oh yeah...forgot to add, Ron... we've also yet to have a Saturday or Sunday free from a student or colleague calling to ask questions or get clarification on some problem.&nbsp; My husband&nbsp;gives his mobile phone number out to students so that, if they can't make office hours, they can call when it's CONVENIENT FOR THEM.&nbsp; </p> <p>Also forgot to add that a good professor will attend conferences, academic or administrative, which takes even more time.&nbsp; Oh, and...if you're teaching in a professional school, don't forget that you have to stay academically current.&nbsp; Which, for my husband, meant devoting two years (FOR FREE) to a software corporation, in an academic advisory position, just so CSUB could get 2 million dollars worth of software for the students to use.&nbsp; </p> Glad he likes his job.&nbsp; I can tell you that I don't think any of my professors at CSUB spent more than 5 minutes of prep for every hour they taught.&nbsp; I guess I didn't have him as a professor. http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/schooled/9374/#c_91427 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/schooled/9374/#c_91427 Glad he likes his job.&nbsp; I can tell you that I don't think any of my professors at CSUB spent more than 5 minutes of prep for every hour they taught.&nbsp; I guess I didn't have him as a professor. <div class="blogcommentbody"><strong>Glad he likes his job.&nbsp; I can tell you that I don't think any of my professors at CSUB spent more than 5 minutes of prep for every hour they taught.&nbsp; I guess I didn't have him as a professor.</strong></div> <div class="blogcommentbody"><strong></strong></div> <div class="blogcommentbody">I guess not.&nbsp; Otherwise, you'd realize how off-base your comment was.&nbsp; Although I can't quite believe that NONE of your teachers prepped or gave you a decent education, I'm very sorry for you if that was the case.&nbsp; You should've complained to their boss and/or the&nbsp;appropriate channels.&nbsp;&nbsp; You paid for a good education and you&nbsp;should've demanded that which you paid for. &nbsp; I'm not trying to be a hyper-defensive twit...but, if you only knew. LOL&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; There are people who love teaching and my husband happens to be one of them.&nbsp; His students constantly say that he's difficult, but gives them a &quot;real education&quot; and &quot;current information&quot;.&nbsp; That's not easy.&nbsp; I've seen him trimming rose bushes while talking a student through a complicated operations (math) problem... because, they didn't get it in class when he covered it.&nbsp;&nbsp; I've seen him drive across town to meet members of the community so that he can get them to come speak with students.&nbsp; </div> <div class="blogcommentbody">Are their crappy professors?&nbsp; ABSOLUTELY!&nbsp;But, I've found that there are lazy people in just about every occupation and, as with any salaried job, they often get paid anyway.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </div> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/schooled/9374/#c_91429 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/schooled/9374/#c_91429 <div class="blogcommentbody"><strong>Glad he likes his job.&nbsp; I can tell you that I don't think any of my professors at CSUB spent more than 5 minutes of prep for every hour they taught.&nbsp; I guess I didn't have him as a professor.</strong></div> <div class="blogcommentbody"><strong></strong></div> <div class="blogcommentbody">I guess not.&nbsp; Otherwise, you'd realize how off-base your comment was.&nbsp; Although I can't quite believe that NONE of your teachers prepped or gave you a decent education, I'm very sorry for you if that was the case.&nbsp; You should've complained to their boss and/or the&nbsp;appropriate channels.&nbsp;&nbsp; You paid for a good education and you&nbsp;should've demanded that which you paid for. &nbsp; I'm not trying to be a hyper-defensive twit...but, if you only knew. LOL&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; There are people who love teaching and my husband happens to be one of them.&nbsp; His students constantly say that he's difficult, but gives them a &quot;real education&quot; and &quot;current information&quot;.&nbsp; That's not easy.&nbsp; I've seen him trimming rose bushes while talking a student through a complicated operations (math) problem... because, they didn't get it in class when he covered it.&nbsp;&nbsp; I've seen him drive across town to meet members of the community so that he can get them to come speak with students.&nbsp; </div> <div class="blogcommentbody">Are their crappy professors?&nbsp; ABSOLUTELY!&nbsp;But, I've found that there are lazy people in just about every occupation and, as with any salaried job, they often get paid anyway.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </div> What a bs posting! There are so many variables and differences per location, per professor and per lecturer that the data presented is almost meaningless. I guess if you wanted an approximation on what potential earnings could be after&nbsp; many years on the circuit&nbsp; this could qualify as an example. <br /> <br /> Why are people like schooled and ronmexico so anti-education? Why are so many people so opposed to higher learning and particularly within the public school arena in this area? This is a hate posting dressed up as information, but is actually worthless inflammatory garbage. What people like s&amp;r&nbsp; need to know is that California, once upon a time, had the best public school system in the country. But after years of Reaganomics, and libertarian posings by agenda driven private profiteers, we now are at the bottom in expenditures per pupil and see the sad results with high drop out rates and lowered test scores. http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/schooled/9374/#c_91533 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/schooled/9374/#c_91533 What a bs posting! There are so many variables and differences per location, per professor and per lecturer that the data presented is almost meaningless. I guess if you wanted an approximation on what potential earnings could be after&nbsp; many years on the circuit&nbsp; this could qualify as an example. <br /> <br /> Why are people like schooled and ronmexico so anti-education? Why are so many people so opposed to higher learning and particularly within the public school arena in this area? This is a hate posting dressed up as information, but is actually worthless inflammatory garbage. What people like s&amp;r&nbsp; need to know is that California, once upon a time, had the best public school system in the country. But after years of Reaganomics, and libertarian posings by agenda driven private profiteers, we now are at the bottom in expenditures per pupil and see the sad results with high drop out rates and lowered test scores. Ron, how may of your professors did <em>you</em> thank? After all without them you would still be flipping burgers. http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/schooled/9374/#c_91538 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/schooled/9374/#c_91538 Ron, how may of your professors did <em>you</em> thank? After all without them you would still be flipping burgers. I tried to leave this comment yesterday but for some reason it didn't post. I wanted to thank possummomma for her first post. Thank you for reiterating for everyone that these figures are averages for the CSU's 23 campuses, just as the original posting said.<br /> <br /> I appreciate the posters who added context to the original posting with their own experiences.<br /> <br /> -- Lisa http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/schooled/9374/#c_91599 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/schooled/9374/#c_91599 I tried to leave this comment yesterday but for some reason it didn't post. I wanted to thank possummomma for her first post. Thank you for reiterating for everyone that these figures are averages for the CSU's 23 campuses, just as the original posting said.<br /> <br /> I appreciate the posters who added context to the original posting with their own experiences.<br /> <br /> -- Lisa What do say English or Journalism professors make? Do they have Ph.D.s? By the way, I think putting the salary of all the professors with their names is a great idea. http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/schooled/9374/#c_94937 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/schooled/9374/#c_94937 What do say English or Journalism professors make? Do they have Ph.D.s? By the way, I think putting the salary of all the professors with their names is a great idea.