http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/thegrumpyskeptic/40690 No matter how hard we try those ID (Intelligent Design) folks, well just don't get evolution...or is it evil-lution? LOL but check it out, give him some love, ive been much too busy spending time with my family on my days off!! now that i'll be going back to work, im sure i can write some more, lol. enjoy! &nbsp; http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/ here's a snippet Say what? Darwin, trained to be a theologian, admirer of Paley, was philosophically predisposed to dogmatic materialism? That is a bit of a stretch, don't you think? But I think it's part of the DI's general strategy. Relying on real, physical evidence to make a case is to be declared anathema; True Scientists&trade; build their case on metaphysical imaginary supernatural &quot;evidence&quot;, like the creationist's rationale for a god. I think their new motto ought to be &quot;Making Stuff Up for Jesus&quot;. It's all they've got. Now why Forbes would willingly act as a mouthpiece for these shills is the real mystery &mdash; I've written for Forbes before, and they usually seem sensible. But since they are implicitly endorsing the DI's approach to evidence, I guess I actually don't need to find out &mdash; I can just invent an explanation and it's as good as any other. Therefore, I think somebody snuck into the editorial staff's homes late at night and carried out involuntary lobotomies on everyone. And if you try to disagree with me, obviously you are an ideologue with an a priori commitment to the metaphysic of materialism. As is my style, he's got that grumpy edge give him some love until next time... remember be skeptical! No matter how hard we try those ID (Intelligent Design) folks, well just don't get evolution...or is it evil-lution? LOL but check it out, give him some love, ive been much too busy spending time with my family on my days off!! now that i'll be going back to work, im sure i can write some more, lol. enjoy! &nbsp; http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/ here's a snippet Say what? Darwin, trained to be a theologian, admirer of Paley, was philosophically predisposed to dogmatic materialism? That is a bit of a stretch, don't you think? But I think it's part of the DI's general strategy. Relying on real, physical evidence to make a case is to be declared anathema; True Scientists&trade; build their case on metaphysical imaginary supernatural &quot;evidence&quot;, like the creationist's rationale for a god. I think their new motto ought to be &quot;Making Stuff Up for Jesus&quot;. It's all they've got. Now why Forbes would willingly act as a mouthpiece for these shills is the real mystery &mdash; I've written for Forbes before, and they usually seem sensible. But since they are implicitly endorsing the DI's approach to evidence, I guess I actually don't need to find out &mdash; I can just invent an explanation and it's as good as any other. Therefore, I think somebody snuck into the editorial staff's homes late at night and carried out involuntary lobotomies on everyone. And if you try to disagree with me, obviously you are an ideologue with an a priori commitment to the metaphysic of materialism. As is my style, he's got that grumpy edge give him some love until next time... remember be skeptical! en-us Fri, 06 Feb 2009 11:29:11 PST <p>The side that can tell me how something came from nothing wins.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/thegrumpyskeptic/40690/#c_367298 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/thegrumpyskeptic/40690/#c_367298 <p>The side that can tell me how something came from nothing wins.</p> <p><em>The side that can tell me how something came from nothing wins.</em></p> <p>That would be theoretical physics,&nbsp;assuming certain definitions of &quot;nothing.&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Particle pair-formation in vacuum, for example.</p> <p>Of course, the &quot;ex nihilo&quot; question has nothing to do with evolution.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/thegrumpyskeptic/40690/#c_367310 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/thegrumpyskeptic/40690/#c_367310 <p><em>The side that can tell me how something came from nothing wins.</em></p> <p>That would be theoretical physics,&nbsp;assuming certain definitions of &quot;nothing.&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Particle pair-formation in vacuum, for example.</p> <p>Of course, the &quot;ex nihilo&quot; question has nothing to do with evolution.</p> <p><strong>&nbsp;That would be <u>theoretical</u> physics,</strong></p> <p>Exactly.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/thegrumpyskeptic/40690/#c_367333 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/thegrumpyskeptic/40690/#c_367333 <p><strong>&nbsp;That would be <u>theoretical</u> physics,</strong></p> <p>Exactly.</p> <p>Well, before a big bang, there had to be something, and the something--I'd think--had to come from somewhere. Even if it was a diety. Just one of those things I was kicking around to give myself a headache.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/thegrumpyskeptic/40690/#c_367397 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/thegrumpyskeptic/40690/#c_367397 <p>Well, before a big bang, there had to be something, and the something--I'd think--had to come from somewhere. Even if it was a diety. Just one of those things I was kicking around to give myself a headache.</p> <p><strong>Catpaw</strong>, you can create a particle of matter and a particle of antimatter. That's two &quot;somethings&quot; from &quot;nothing&quot;.<br /> &nbsp;</p> <p>Now get someone to tell you where their god came from.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/thegrumpyskeptic/40690/#c_367494 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/thegrumpyskeptic/40690/#c_367494 <p><strong>Catpaw</strong>, you can create a particle of matter and a particle of antimatter. That's two &quot;somethings&quot; from &quot;nothing&quot;.<br /> &nbsp;</p> <p>Now get someone to tell you where their god came from.</p> <p>Mattloch, too bad you survived abortion 2,000 years late, otherwise we'd gladly have come up with someone who could tell you where his god came from, a certain Jewish carpenter who said &quot;He who has seen me has seen the father.&quot; Plus:</p> <p>Mark 8: 38 -- &quot;For he that shall be ashamed of me, and of my words, in this adulterous and sinful generation: the Son of man also will be ashamed of him, when he shall come in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.&quot;</p> <p>Do you have any other gaps in your thinking that could use a good dose of intelligently designed spackle?</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/thegrumpyskeptic/40690/#c_367550 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/thegrumpyskeptic/40690/#c_367550 <p>Mattloch, too bad you survived abortion 2,000 years late, otherwise we'd gladly have come up with someone who could tell you where his god came from, a certain Jewish carpenter who said &quot;He who has seen me has seen the father.&quot; Plus:</p> <p>Mark 8: 38 -- &quot;For he that shall be ashamed of me, and of my words, in this adulterous and sinful generation: the Son of man also will be ashamed of him, when he shall come in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.&quot;</p> <p>Do you have any other gaps in your thinking that could use a good dose of intelligently designed spackle?</p> <p>where did god's god come from? who made god?</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/thegrumpyskeptic/40690/#c_368307 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/thegrumpyskeptic/40690/#c_368307 <p>where did god's god come from? who made god?</p> <p>Human beings did.&nbsp; In their own image and likeness.&nbsp;</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/thegrumpyskeptic/40690/#c_368308 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/thegrumpyskeptic/40690/#c_368308 <p>Human beings did.&nbsp; In their own image and likeness.&nbsp;</p> <p><em>Do you have any other gaps in your thinking that could use a good dose of intelligently designed spackle?</em></p> <p>Spackle doesn't work nearly as well as gray matter.&nbsp; But your use of it as a replacement explains much.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/thegrumpyskeptic/40690/#c_368312 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/thegrumpyskeptic/40690/#c_368312 <p><em>Do you have any other gaps in your thinking that could use a good dose of intelligently designed spackle?</em></p> <p>Spackle doesn't work nearly as well as gray matter.&nbsp; But your use of it as a replacement explains much.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>But,&nbsp; what about the idea of god or the experience of&nbsp;such.</p> <p>Where did&nbsp; (or, does) that come from?</p> <p>--virgil &nbsp;</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/thegrumpyskeptic/40690/#c_368315 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/thegrumpyskeptic/40690/#c_368315 <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>But,&nbsp; what about the idea of god or the experience of&nbsp;such.</p> <p>Where did&nbsp; (or, does) that come from?</p> <p>--virgil &nbsp;</p> <p>My personal hypothesis is that it's the human expression of the mammalian &quot;surrender&quot; reflex.&nbsp; The mammal brain is hard-wired to experience awe; the prefrontal lobe analyzes that as if it's coming from&nbsp;*OUTSIDE* and tries to assign meaning to it.</p> <p>Lots of &quot;religious experiences&quot; are indistinguishable from temporal lobe epilepsy, too.&nbsp;</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/thegrumpyskeptic/40690/#c_368319 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/thegrumpyskeptic/40690/#c_368319 <p>My personal hypothesis is that it's the human expression of the mammalian &quot;surrender&quot; reflex.&nbsp; The mammal brain is hard-wired to experience awe; the prefrontal lobe analyzes that as if it's coming from&nbsp;*OUTSIDE* and tries to assign meaning to it.</p> <p>Lots of &quot;religious experiences&quot; are indistinguishable from temporal lobe epilepsy, too.&nbsp;</p> <p><em>Well, before a big bang, there had to be something, </em></p> <p>Why?&nbsp; What would cause the something?</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/thegrumpyskeptic/40690/#c_368325 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/thegrumpyskeptic/40690/#c_368325 <p><em>Well, before a big bang, there had to be something, </em></p> <p>Why?&nbsp; What would cause the something?</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p><em>&quot;&nbsp;the human expression of the mammalian &quot;surrender&quot; reflex.&nbsp;The mammal brain is hard-wired to experience awe;..&quot;</em></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Yeah, I&nbsp;think &nbsp;about the<em> point </em>of the&nbsp;mammalian&nbsp;evolution&nbsp;of the experience of awe.</p> <p>--virgil</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/thegrumpyskeptic/40690/#c_368336 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/thegrumpyskeptic/40690/#c_368336 <p>&nbsp;</p> <p><em>&quot;&nbsp;the human expression of the mammalian &quot;surrender&quot; reflex.&nbsp;The mammal brain is hard-wired to experience awe;..&quot;</em></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Yeah, I&nbsp;think &nbsp;about the<em> point </em>of the&nbsp;mammalian&nbsp;evolution&nbsp;of the experience of awe.</p> <p>--virgil</p>